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Styled and unstyled?

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Knappy

01-08-2002 14:01:37




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If you ever wanted to make me look dumb now is your big chance, but you seem like nice people that would never do that.
I was here a couple of times a while back and asked a few questions about a WC that my dad has, but I am still new to all this. Can someone tell me what the terms styled and unstyled mean? I see them on some of the pictures.




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Knappy

01-09-2002 04:37:20




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 Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-08-2002 14:01:37  
So what you are telling me is styled just means they made the tractors look better as opposed to the square look that they originally had.

My dad's tractor looks very much like the 1944 WC that is posted in the picture gallery by Walt Woodrow and the Allis Chalmers WC posted by Dan Mecklenburg. The only real differance I see between them and dad's is that his exaust does not go through the hood the way theirs does. So that means it is a styled tractor. But is has nothing to do with the added features his has like the foot breaks and the added high low gear box that I had asked about one other time.

Knappy

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Bryan Smith

01-09-2002 05:45:45




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 Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-09-2002 04:37:20  
Exactly. The styled WC was the same tractor as the unstyled WC - simply sheet metal changes to make it look nicer. As mentioned, if you have a front cowling around the radiator and a teardrop shaped gas tank it's styled. If you have a straight, oval gas tank and the radiator out front w/o a grill it's unstyled. Either type could have the distillate or "tractor fuel" manifold, which meant a short, flattened exhaust pipe sticking out the side from under the hood (instead of going up through the hood). These distillate engines were lower compression than the gasoline versions, hence the lower hp.

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Dusty

01-09-2002 05:33:22




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 Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-09-2002 04:37:20  
The A.C. tractors with the angled exhaust could burn disllant, you lost a litle power with it put it was cheeper fuel.
Dusty



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Wisc. Willie

01-09-2002 11:26:02




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 Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Dusty, 01-09-2002 05:33:22  
Does this mean there were early unstyled WCs with hoods that had a factory hole for vertical exhaust? The one my dad bought and drove home out of the plant in Milwaukee in '36 (now sitting in the weeds at my place) had the angle exhaust, but to my knowledge was never set up for distillate (or at least it did not have the separate tank that I've seen on some). I assumed that the angle exhaust was standard unstyled issue, and have been trying to find a manifold in decent shape, with little success. My understanding is that they tended to crack easily, so most were replaced with the later style manifolds. Unfortunately, I can't ask dad anymore.

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Greg Ballantyne

01-09-2002 18:31:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Wisc. Willie, 01-09-2002 11:26:02  
if the tractor is a '36 then to the best of my knowledge it cannot be styled, the first styled tractors had not yet been made. Not that I was around, but according to books I've read.



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Bryan Smith

01-09-2002 13:05:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Wisc. Willie, 01-09-2002 11:26:02  
I have seen (in person, no less) styled WC's with the muffler through the hood like a WD45, but I haven't seen an unstyled WC with anything but the distillate-type side muffler. Doesn't mean there weren't any - I haven't seen that many unstyled WC's. That doesn't help much other than to say it *may* have been possible.



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DJ

01-10-2002 06:43:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Bryan Smith, 01-09-2002 13:05:03  
Just checked the parts book, and they say the exhaust goes through the hood starting at ENGINE # W-106509



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Wisc. Willie

01-09-2002 11:25:45




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 Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Dusty, 01-09-2002 05:33:22  
Does this mean there were early unstyled WCs with hoods that had a factory hole for vertical exhaust? The one my dad bought and drove home out of the plant in Milwaukee in '36 (now sitting in the weeds at my place) had the angle exhaust, but to my knowledge was never set up for distillate (or at least it did not have the separate tank that I've seen on some). I assumed that the angle exhaust was standard unstyled issue, and have been trying to find a manifold in decent shape, with little success. My understanding is that they tended to crack easily, so most were replaced with the later style manifolds. Unfortunately, I can't ask dad anymore.

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Tom

01-09-2002 17:58:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Wisc. Willie, 01-09-2002 11:25:45  
"Now sitting in the weeds"!! Well when are you going to fix it? If you aren't, well where are you, I might want to. And if you are too far for me, well someone else will.



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Wisconsin Willie

01-09-2002 18:39:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Tom, 01-09-2002 17:58:07  
Oh, it will live on in some form or another. It's one of four unstyled WCs that I now have, and I just knocked a styled WC in the head for parts. The engine out of that one is going into one that I purchased that is complete with very nice sheet metal and a seized engine. Someone had tried to pull it to get it started and bent a pushrod into a "U" shape, cracking the sleeve in the process. (Apparently 3 out of the 4 pistons moved.) I do have a replacement sleeve and piston, but I bought the styled at auction for the right price, and swapping engines is the easiest and fastest route to go right now. I need to get something running or the wife tax on this hobby is going to get a little steep. I also have an unstyled with a wide front (after market, but same era) and a step-down behind the trans. And a marginal unstyled with a buzz rig (not OSHA approved!) which is most likely to end up getting combined with dad's WC, and his original cultivator. Final comment: The one I just parted out had a shift lever behind the mechanical lift so that the drive to the rear could be shifted out of gear and the mechanical lift would still turn. Was this common? I hadn't seen it before, but it sure would have been a handy feature if one fell asleep and ran into a fencerow before lifting the cultivator.

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JMS/MN

01-10-2002 08:06:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Wisconsin Willie, 01-09-2002 18:39:52  
I don't know how common it was, but our newer WC had one. Don't remember if the '39 had it.The lever was good for cultivating, and also running the roto-baler. Quicker restarts than re-shifting the tranny, although still a pain compared to when Dad got the WD45 and the hand clutch.



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Wisconsin Willie

01-10-2002 16:52:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to JMS/MN, 01-10-2002 08:06:44  
I hadn't thought about the roto baler ... my understanding is that the AC round baler was the primary reason AC came out with the hand clutch on the WD, although for anyone who used a WC pto drive in heavy combining, baling hay or chopping corn, the hand clutch was a huge stride foward, as you note.



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Max(ia)

01-08-2002 19:06:26




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 Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-08-2002 14:01:37  
Willie and Steve you got it right, I've got a 37 WC and a 51 WD. My WC Flat Top has been modified with starter and alternator, but still has the permanent crank in front.



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Greg Ballantyne

01-08-2002 17:52:37




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 Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-08-2002 14:01:37  
Here is the real answer. Competition was fierce between tractor manufacturers in the early 20th century and they were looking for every edge. John Deere brought Industrial Design to the tractor industry in 1937 when they hired Henry Dreyfuss Associates from Madison Avenue to "style" their product line, to make it attractive rather than only the utilitarian design that was the rule of the day. This had an amazing impact on their sales and the other tractor makers quickly followed suit. I got this out of a book I have, "America's Classic Farm Tractors" by Randy Jeffingwell, a pictoral and written history of farm tractors.

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fordson29

01-08-2002 14:14:26




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 Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Knappy, 01-08-2002 14:01:37  
Unstyled don't have a grille usally 1938 and back but not always. styled has a grille.



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Wisc. Willie

01-08-2002 16:25:57




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 Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to fordson29, 01-08-2002 14:14:26  
My understanding ... which may not be totally correct mind you ... is that the unstyled were the early ones with the (mostly) flat top and gas tank, flat fenders and an exhaust pipe that angled out from under the hood vs. up through it. The styled WCs looked like the WDs which followed, but lacked the live power, hydraulics and a few other goodies. If I'm giving you bad info, rest assured someone out there will let both of us know -- which is okay by me.

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steve

01-08-2002 16:30:40




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 Re: Re: Re: styled and unstyled? in reply to Wisc. Willie, 01-08-2002 16:25:57  
I agree with Willie, my interpretation was that the unstyled was more square shaped and resembled tractors from the 20's or 30's. The styled was the first tractor with teardrop shaped tank and sculptured hood an fenders, Like the WD45.



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