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kent

07-31-2001 05:16:55

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Good morning all! I've got an allis model CA and it has a bunch of play in the steering. It is a 1952 with narrow front end. A lot of the play is coming from the steering box behind the engine which will probably need to have the gears replaced. The rest of the play is coming from the front end...i guess there's a worm and gear inside the front and they are worn a little. I tried to fill the front end with 90 w oil but it just ran out the bottom. I have a couple questions. Does anyone have any advise on repairing the steering box behind the engine? where to purchase parts or how to renew the old parts? Does anyone have any advise on how to lubricate the front end which won't hold oil or will I have to tear it all down and replace the lower seal and bearings? I wouldn't think it would be good to run the front end dry with out oil for very long. any advise would be much appreciated. I really like the tractor and want to get it back in top shape.

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Dick L

07-31-2001 14:57:15

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Re: CA Steering question in reply to kent, 07-31-2001 05:16:55

This drawing does not show the shims, but to tighten up the front you just have to remove a shim to bring the bevel gear deeper into the teeth of the segment gear. Thear is no seal to keep the oil over those gears. You have to use 140 or it will just run through.

Punch to see shims

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Kent

08-01-2001 05:26:51

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Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to Dick L, 07-31-2001 14:57:15

Dick and Kevin, Thanks so much for your help and Dick thanks for the drawings...I can hardly wait to tear into it and get it fixed.

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kevin

08-01-2001 03:45:44

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Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to Dick L, 07-31-2001 14:57:15

Dick, Thank's for the drawing. Are they from a A.C. manual, or a after market one? I would like to get a copy.

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Dick L

08-01-2001 06:36:25

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Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to kevin, 08-01-2001 03:45:44

The Drawings this time are from Allis Chalmers CA manuals. I also have drawings from other aftermarket manuals on file along with many actual pictures. I don't always remember what I see and the pictures don't seem to forget.

The splines are different on the C and CA than they are on the B. You can't go just one spline on the C's and CA's. You will need to drop the pedestal down after counting the turns of the stearing wheel so you are at the center, making sure the front wheels are centered, and bolt it back up. You just need a jack and to remove four cap screws.

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kevin

08-01-2001 07:10:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to Dick L, 08-01-2001 06:36:25

Dick, Thank's again, for the help.

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Dick L

07-31-2001 15:12:27

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Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to Dick L, 07-31-2001 14:57:15

You may not have to buy parts for this as well. You should take it apart to check for wear. If after the parts are cleaned you might be able to remove a shim or two shown under the stearing wheel. The drawing shows one shim but you will find a stack of shims. The lugs on the levershaft could show wear and can be replaced. More often than not you can turn the adjusting screw in and get the play out of the stearing box.

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kevin

07-31-2001 07:21:13

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Re: CA Steering question in reply to kent, 07-31-2001 05:16:55

I also have a 52 CA, don't have much play, but it turn's farther to the left than right. I'm thinking the front worm and gear are out of time. Someone must have had it apart sometime and missed a tooth when putting it back togather. Mabey someone can tell us something. Other than that it steers very easy. Would like to see some exploded drawing's on the steering box's.

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kent sparrow

07-31-2001 11:43:49

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Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to kevin, 07-31-2001 07:21:13

Kevin, I've had that happen on a "B" one time. I'll bet it's not in the front end. on mine it was where the steering arm connects to the steering box behind the engine. all I had to do was pull the steering arm off with a puller, move it by one spine, and then reinstall. It is also possible to get the steering box behind the engine out of time. Disassembling that one is not near as difficult as the front one. Hope this helps....wish mine didn't have all the play in it but I think most of it is in the rear steering box.

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kevin

07-31-2001 12:00:21

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Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to kent sparrow, 07-31-2001 11:43:49

Kent,
I tried that already, didn't work. It's in one of the box's. I took the arm off the rear box, centered the front wheel's. Counted the turns on the steering wheel, 2 1/2 each way and centered it. Still turns more to the left than right. The front main seal is leaking a small amount, so when I tear it down this winter to fix it, I will try to solve the steering problem. Plan on replacing the seals in the steering box also. If your intersted, and don't have any answers by then, I'll let you know what I find.

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brian(pa)

08-01-2001 09:18:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to kevin, 07-31-2001 12:00:21

kevin your front segment gear is out a tooth, pull the bolster down (trick get 2 longer bolts, use them to drop the unit low enough to turn gear and hold the weight of the bolster) turn you r gear and your done.

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Dick L

08-01-2001 11:44:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to brian(pa), 08-01-2001 09:18:40

Now there is a good tip! Thanks! Brian, I always strong arm it into place but as an old man I then pay the next day.

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kevin

08-01-2001 09:39:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CA Steering question in reply to brian(pa), 08-01-2001 09:18:40

Brian, Sound's like you have been there. Between the drawing's and your tip, It will be a short job.

Thank's

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