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Update on what do I really have

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Clair

05-14-2001 12:50:16




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First I want to thank all of the people who are trying to help. Steve, Rob, Phil, Aaron, Gary, and Duey.

Now here is what I have figured out so far.

It is defiantly a WC. I know that from the plate on the rear end above the freeze pug.

There is a picture of a WC 1939 model posted by Steve Wolving that has back rims that look close to what mine has. (That is as best I can tell from the picture.) Mine has the solid cast centers with grease fitting in the middle. The cast centers have lugs cast into them that a square piece of metal fits into and the bolt goes through the piece of metal and hooks on a set of lugs on to the rim. This is the way the rim is made the lugs are not attached but molded right in the rim. The bolt tightens up the square piece of metal and pulls the rim back against the cast center.

The headlight set up is also the same as the picture posted by Steve Wolving. I can't tell if his has the rear light mounted under the seat like mine does from the picture.

Someone pointed out that there was no direct low shifter so it is a high and low but it is not an after market. The high-low shifter is defiantly factory made. The casting that holds the high-low and the mechanical lift are all one piece and The PTO gearbox is located directly under them. Both are behind the transmission with the transmission first then the lift and then the high-low shifter.

If the foot breaks are an add on as someone stated, they were originally (factory) painted to match the tractor.(AC Orange)

If the breaks are after market then the seat might be as well because it is not the typical square seat I keep seeing but a round seat with arms under it that hing and two round rubber shock absorbers (for lack of a better term) that let the seat bounce up and down to smooth out the ride. (Worked fairly well I might add) I noticed one other thing on the pictures. Some of the WC's have the exhaust coming through the hood. This is not the case with mine. It comes out of the manifold in an angle. The original pipe was curved to go around the cultivators. (It rusted away and is now straight.) The serial numbers that someone gave me indicate a 1940 model.

If this is all close or correct is the electric starter factory and the hand crank just a back up? The electrical system is 6-volt positive ground with a generator. There is also a charger box that is directly in front of the gearshift. If you cranked the batter too much or it seemed like the battery was not charging fast enough you pulled out the knob and the battery charged faster. The battery box is located in front axel on the left side.

There is also a small lever on the side of the gearshift that you were supposed to squeeze with your hand to help go into reverse. It never seemed to do anything and we never used it.

I can't think of anything else to describe.

Like I said in my last message the serial numbers on the rear end are WC92**4 I donít know if there are any more numbers after the 4 and the others I canít make out. The number I got off the side of the transmission case that someone asked me to check are CL - -8 - 1 (The dashes are actually what is there, they are not missing numbers) These are small numbers about a quarter of and inch high. There is another set of numbers above them that are about twice as big that read 4111. Then on the top of the transmission in front of the shifter is the number 1219. These are all raised numbers, not stamped numbers like the ones on the rear end. The two bigger numbers may be casting numbers, but the smaller CL - - 8 - 1 doesnít look like a casting number. It may even be on a tag that is riveted to the casting but it was painted over like it was there from the factory. (Trust me this tractor was never repainted.)

Are all of these things I have described standard features or do I have something a little different than normal setting in the barn?

Thanks again for all the help

Clair

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Clair to oldtimer

05-15-2001 03:43:45




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 Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair , 05-14-2001 12:50:16  
The extra shift lever is behind the lift but it has three positions. There is a definate high and a low and neutral position. But it is not a brake of any kind as someone mentioned. When your in nutrel your in nutrel. The rear end seems to be disengaged the same as if you took the main transmission out of gear.

Also if this thing ran on two kinds of fuel like someone said would there be two tanks? It only has one and we just used gas.

THe tractor does run, it hasn't been started for about six months over the winter but dad farmed with it for twenty seven years.

Clair

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Aaron

05-15-2001 15:24:11




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 Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair to oldtimer, 05-15-2001 03:43:45  
That would probably be a Sherman 2 speed. They made those for a lot of tractors, I know they made a them for the Ford N series, and the WC. Not sure about others. Does your hood have some unused holes in it? Like the left front side, one big one, 3 little ones? That would be the spot for the second gas tank. I was thinking that if they weren't shipped with 2 tanks, they got the vertical manifold. Could be wrong there too.
Aaron

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Clair

05-15-2001 15:54:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Aaron, 05-15-2001 15:24:11  
Aaron

One other thing, there is no bealt pully on this tractor I noticed the one on the picture of the 1939 model but this one doesn't have one.

I don't know if there is a place to put one or not.

Clair



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Aaron

05-15-2001 17:18:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair, 05-15-2001 15:54:18  
If you look along the right side frame rail, just in front of the transmission, you should see a round plug, about 3" round. Remove that plug, and there is the hole for the belt pully. There is a set screw that holds the pully assembly either engauged or disengauged. If you are interested in one, I have an extra from my restoration project.
Aaron



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Clair

05-15-2001 15:50:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Aaron, 05-15-2001 15:24:11  
Aron

No extra holes in the hood. The only hole is the one for the oil bath air breather.

Other than that there are no holes in the hood at all. Unless you count the one for the radiator.

Can I ask why the extra tank would have been on the left when the carb is on the right side?

With the description I gave you do you have any idea what this tractor is worth. My dad would like to know.

Clair

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oldtimer

05-14-2001 20:26:14




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 Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair , 05-14-2001 12:50:16  
Do you have this tractor running?The reason I ask is that I have a 39 wc,40wc,41wc,with the lever behind the lift, what it does, as someone else says here, is disconnect the ground drive line without using the clutch,thereby keeping the pto on, this was used pulling the combine,bailer,mower,or whatever to clear the machine without slugging it. We always called it" the poormans live power,had to push the clutch in to get it back in gear.the foot brakes are after market,I grew up with these tractors,my uncle started an AC dealership in 1939 was in the family until 1958. Hope this helps

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Aaron

05-14-2001 15:39:41




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 Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair , 05-14-2001 12:50:16  
Got some more info for you, given what you describe. You have the correct rear rims. The high low has to be an aftermarket item. Allis never made one. I have seen them on tractors before, and they do look factory, but they are not. The PTO gearbox should be mounted directly under the transmission, with a lever off the right side back to the operator. The foot brakes may have ben factory painted, or the person that put them on may have painted them, either way, they are aftermarket. The seat is as well. It should be a simple leaf spring with a cast seat. They did have a back rest for them, but it should be all metal. The exhaust was available in one of 2 ways. The ones with it going up out the hood were gasoline only tractors. The ones with the exhaust out the side were built to start on gas then switch to distolate (something like kerosene). It was cheaper to run, but harder to burn, so the exhaust was designed to heat the intake air, helping the atomization of the fuel. It would be factory start, with the hand crank just in case. The battery box should be on the left side of the frame, opposite the belt pully. The lever on the gearsgift was an interlock. It was designed to keep you from hiting reverse when you wanted 4th. It might be too worn to work properly now, but when new, it would have had to been pushed to get into reverse. What you have is a little more rare than most WC's. The foot brakes, I have only seen once, and the extra shifter is also pretty rare. Both on the same tractor is unique, to be sure. I can't say that I have ever seen a seat like you describe, but it might be I just can't visualize it. I'm going to go through my AC stuff and see what I can find. If I come up with any pictures that might help, I'll scan and e-mail them to you.
Aaron

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Tom

05-14-2001 16:57:39




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 Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Aaron, 05-14-2001 15:39:41  
Nothing to do with this tractor, but I once saw a styled WC with a dry, multi disc, hand operated, clutch where the implement lift is supposed to be. The owner said it was a factory experiment and that there were only a few made. I havenever seen anything about this in any of the AC books I have read though?



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Aaron

05-14-2001 18:19:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Tom, 05-14-2001 16:57:39  
I've heard of those. From what I hear, it was an aftermarket option as well (I know a guy with a couple). I would think that if it were a factory item ,it'd have shown up in one of the many AC books out there, and in my parts book. I could be wrong though.
Aaron



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Rob in MO

05-14-2001 14:15:04




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 Re: Update on what do I really have in reply to Clair , 05-14-2001 12:50:16  
Sounds like a WC. The foot brakes are an add-on. The plate on the manifold was reversible to allow running on low octane fuel or gas. The starter probably came with the tractor originally and the hand crank IS more or less a back up. Most styled WCs had the rear work light. I think the High-low shifter is actually a mechanical break in the driveline to allow for running the PTO while stopping forward progress of the tractor, like when you got into really heavy grass or weeds mowing, or pulling a combine or bailer. It may be an add on hi-low, but mine has this other thing...sort of like the hand clutch on a WD. Kind of hard to say without looking. The seat sounds like an aftermarket seat. The originals were pan style seats. Some had small backrests, some did not. The aftermarket seats are a lot more comfortable. The charging/ headlight switch allowed for charging at a low rate for regular use, or a high rate to recharge a battery in low condition.

There were a lot of variations in these tractors. Some were factory options, and many were the result of a need for a quick, cheap fix in the field. No matter what, you have a good machine. Enjoy it! RC

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