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Update on what do I really have

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Cl;air

05-13-2001 19:17:15




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First I want to thank all of you for your help and interest. I looked on the side of the transmission and found the serial number CL-8-1 that didn't sound like a good number.

My dad said the number should be on the rear end above the freaze plug like someone suggested. We could only get a partial number the rest was worn off. WC92**4 is the best we could come up with. I don't know if there is more after the 4 or what the two missin numbers are. I have to go with the fact that this is a WC, but why all the differaces like the ones I listed in my last message. The high low gear box is behind the transmission. It is the transmission, then the mechenical lift meconism and then the high low shifter. My dad told me that it was a low range and a direct drive from what he was told. It does make a differance when you shift it. The other things like the positioning of the lights, the combination foot and hand brakes, the differant rims on the back all still have me a little confused. Also from what I could detect from the serial numbers this tractor should have been built in the early 40's but my dad says he was told when he bought it that it was built in 1949. Now I don't know how true that would be but I am still looking for help in sorting all this out. If you are not sure about the differances I am refering to see my last message, What do I really have?

Thanks again for your help, don't give up on me now. I also want to say that this web site not only gave me a renewed interest in tractors, but if nothing else, it lead to a wonderful afternoon in the barn with my dad, something we have not had in a long time. For me that was worth more than all the tractors in the world.

Clair

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Phil auten (TX)

05-17-2001 07:05:06




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
Clair,
You've got a '40 WC. The high-low gearbox isn't a high-low gearbox at all. This is a simple disconnect to remove drive to the rear wheels. It was used like this: upon reaching the end of a row, the clutch is depressed, this lever shifted and the clutch released. Then you kicked the pedal on the mechanical lift to lift your implement. After the implement was lifted, the clutch was depressed again and the lever returned to the "drive" position and you turned around to do the next row. When ready to start the next row, the process was repeated, except the implement now dropped into it's operating position instead of being lifted.

Phil

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Cair

05-17-2001 13:04:55




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 Re: Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Phil auten (TX), 05-17-2001 07:05:06  
Phil

I hate to disagee with the people I am asking to help me but this is not what you are describing.

I think the guy called Oldtimer who commented is right. This shifter has three positions forward is high, center is nutrel and back is low. You can feel the differancein both ground speed and pulling power it was not much, about the amount you woudld notice on the two speed rear end in a small dump truck when you shift it. We used to bale hay in second low because second high was just a little to fast if you hit anything kind of thick. As far as treating it like a poor mans live PTO we used to just kick the main transmission into nutrel and set the lock on the hand brake if we had to get off and leave the bailer running. I actulally kind of liked the hand brakes especially the right hand one. It had more leverage than the foot break and you could make the tracter do a ninty degree turn at the end of the field so you could get right up next to the woods when you were plowing. In a small hillside farm in western PA that was important.

Clair

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Mike

05-15-2001 21:08:05




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
You definitely have a WC if the Serial No. begins with a WC. The last year they were produced was
1947. My Dad had bought a '47 WC and then bought a new 1948 WD. Then in '53 he got a new WD-45 and the WC left the farm. I cussed the ole WC with hand brakes more than once; I even tore out about 35 feet of new fence cause of plowing with 3-14 inch bottom plow and that WC. But it always started in our cold Minnesota winters. Good luck with you tractor and take care of your Dad. I lost mine almost 3 years ago, he was 86 and he still knew his tractors. Sure do miss him. Mike

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Clair

05-17-2001 13:16:16




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 Re: Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Mike, 05-15-2001 21:08:05  
Mike

I kind of like the hand breaks, especially the right hand one. Most of our turns were to the right and you could really get leverage on that hand break. I am from western PA and we had a small hillside farm and you could plow right up to the edge of the woods by using that hand break.

You had to be quick to trip the tag-a-long plows and pull the break at the same time. I used to ride the left fender and trip the plows while dad ran the tractor sometimes. I got it more than once for triping to soon or not soon enough. I know what you mean about Dad he is 78 and I live a half hour away and neither one of us farm any more, but we still laugh about some of the tricks we have pulled togther. I have been bugging him to give me the tractor, if for no other reason than to try to keep the memories we have had on it alve just a little longer. Maby I can fix it up and use it to mowe my two acer yard or something.

Did your tractor have any kind of two spead on it?

Clair

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Gary

05-14-2001 03:55:42




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
AC did sell WC's with a high and low range,this
is not a Sherman aftermarket but a AC made one.
There is no direct drive low range is lower and high range is higher.



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Aaron

05-13-2001 20:47:25




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
SOunds like a 1940 WC to me. The foot brakes would have been an aftermarket add on, as is the hi-low shifter. The lights are mounted in a tube under the gas tank, correct? The WC had the lights mounted in such fashion. I'm not sure about the rims, I guess I'm not understanding just what you have. Your tractor should have cast iron center, mounted to a rim holding a 28" tire. Take a look at the image archive on this site. Lots of WC's listed, and I am sure there is a picture of one with wheels like you have. Could you describe them a little more for us? I think you have what sounds like a great tractor with a couple of rare and interesting options. Just for a nice bit of trivia, the 1958 Central Tractors Parts cataloge lists the WC foot brake attachment. List price was $23.50. I think somewhere I have a price for the 2 speed shifter as well. Might look for it and post it for you.
Aaron

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oldtimer

05-14-2001 20:38:54




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 Re: Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Aaron, 05-13-2001 20:47:25  
very possable that it is a two speed,every other brand had one.I never did see one on a allis, low was ok in our country, if we got in a hurry and the old boys weren't around we put a wire on the throttle linkage and made a hummer out of it



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oldtimer

05-14-2001 20:38:51




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 Re: Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Aaron, 05-13-2001 20:47:25  
very possable that it is a two speed,every other brand had one.I never did see one on a allis, low was ok in our country, if we got in a hurry and the old boys weren't around we put a wire on the throttle linkage and made a hummer out of it



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Duey(IA)

05-13-2001 20:00:07




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
Allis Chalmers Model WC
Year Starting Serial Number 1933 1 1934 10158 1935 22816 1936 35474 1937 48133 1938 60790 1939 75216 1940 91534 <<<<<<<<
1941 103517 1942 114534 1943 123171 1944 127642 1945 134624 1946 148091 1947 152845 1948 170174



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Clair

05-13-2001 19:32:21




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 Re: update on what do I really have in reply to Cl;air, 05-13-2001 19:17:15  
I don't mean to comment on myself but in case anyone sees this, I was just doing some further looking, could this be a 1939 WC?



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