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Do I have hydraulics?

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Matt (OH)

03-21-2001 11:06:38




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Just bought my first tractor last night, a '49 B. Where the hydraulics come out of the rear, there's a valve type fixture (closed obviously), and the previous owner said, "yup that's your hydraulics". Guess when I asked him over the phone if it had it, I expected to see a cylinder and maybe other components. So, my question is should I see more, or is this pretty common? At one time did it probably have a cylinder from the factory and it just got taken off? Seems to me that if I ever want to put some hydraulic implements on it, I'll have to spend a good deal of money on putting the hydraulics back to proper. Would that be a true statement?

And oh yea, I bought a tractor, WAHOO!!!!! !

Thanks, Matt

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steve

03-21-2001 19:27:16




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 Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Matt (OH), 03-21-2001 11:06:38  
Matt, under the seat on the right side of the axle you see the "block" you are calling the valve. Ther should be a 1/4 inch rod with a loop on it pointing up at the seat. When you pullor push the rod you route oil to the cylinder. You must have a small plug or shutoff vavle in the hydraulic vavle where the small hose use to be. I think it is only a quarter inch hose.. (very small). This system has a small oil capacity with pressure up about 3000 psi. It uses a small cylinder about 1 inch in diameter. You can mount the cylinder pointing forward by your right leg and lift the belly mower up front. You can point the cylinder down behind the seat and use it to raise small implements on the back. This is only 1 way hydraulics. The hose supplys oil to the cylinder and when you put the hydraulic valve in the "return" position you are actually putting it in "float" and the weight of the deck or implement pushes the oil back thru the supply hose to the hydraulic valve and oil resivoir. There is no power down.

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Tyler(WA)

03-21-2001 11:41:49




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 Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Matt (OH), 03-21-2001 11:06:38  
If it's a '49 B, you don't have factory hydraulics. The transmission is manual with no pump and the only way you'll have hydraulics is if you mount a pump off the V-belt (like a power steering pump where the generator would hang,) or directly off the PTO.

To my recolection, there is no hydraulics on any B but I'm sure there are none on any early B's.



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Matt

03-21-2001 12:01:08




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 Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Tyler(WA), 03-21-2001 11:41:49  
I don't doubt you, except that now after reading my Operators Manual, page 27 has a picture of the setup. Basically, I have the pump, but the hole for the metal pipe which would go to the selector lever unit has been plugged. Plug A in the picture, is where someone put the valve shutoff I mentioned in the first post.

So, are you saying I shouldn't even have the pump assembly which is mounted on the right side of my differential/rear end, beside the PTO? I do have the pump, looks just like the picture.

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Tyler(WA)

03-21-2001 13:49:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Matt, 03-21-2001 12:01:08  
Perhaps my error here, (wouldn't be the first time) I have a '38 B and it surely does not have any hydraulics. I was thinking '39, like my friend's that we just rebuilt. As for a '49 B, that's ten years later and if your manual says it has hydraulics, they must have offered it.

I still would not expect great capacity though. My mid 60's Massey Ferguson has hydraulics but if I want to power any serious hydraulic attachment, I plan to use a PTO mounted pump.

Sorry for the confusion.

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johnny

03-21-2001 17:03:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Tyler(WA), 03-21-2001 13:49:27  
Sir yes you do have Hyd. the pump anyway.you should have a cyl about one inch in dia..mounted
just above the pump, if not you can get one on this website just ask. you can also get a conversion kit for 3 pt hitch from worksaver model#HK308 this kit includes all hardware and cyl cost around $300.00 the drawback yo this is
you can't have the undercarage for cultivating
on tractor you may have or not I own a 1950 B
LOVE IT enjoy yours

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Marvin

03-21-2001 17:30:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to johnny, 03-21-2001 17:03:57  
I have four "B,s" and they all have hydraulics,even my two ' '38's. If you have the pump with the control lever, all you need is a lenth of high preasure hose @ 18" and the small ram, that is if you have the mechanism that mounts to the frame behind the seat.



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Matt

03-22-2001 06:40:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Marvin, 03-21-2001 17:30:52  
Well, looks like I just have the pump and the control lever that turns it on/off. Someone must have stripped the rest off long time ago.

Marvin, whats this mechanism you mention that mounts behind the seat? I do have a contraption that is behind the seat, a pipe or sorts with about 3 pieces of metal welded onto it with holes drilled in them. Basically, a swiveling type bar mounted horizontally. Is this a homemade device or a factory pieces?

It's hard for us new guys to figure out what's jury rigged and what's not! I really wish I had more pictures in the manual to determine things like this.

Thanks, Matt

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Johnny

03-22-2001 20:44:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do I have hydraulics? in reply to Matt, 03-22-2001 06:40:52  
Matt, if you are not going to use the tractor
for cultivating ,your best bet is the aftermarket
3pt conversion kit. the only thing you would need
is a draw bar,not hard to find,that opens the door
for all types of equip.. mowers,blades disc,turnplows boxscrape,and so on//



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