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Should I buy a CA?

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Steve warfle

06-16-2000 10:05:02




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Hi...I am currently a Ford 2N owner. When I bought my hose and six acres, the ford was just the best choice at the time for an all around little work tractor. But I've always liked the snap of an AC motor. And while a WD45 is too much machine for me, I was thinking of getting a CA. I use my 2N with a 6 foot finish mower, a back blade, and a 3pt scoop, and I pull a trailer around with it. I wouldn't get rid of my 2N, just get a CA for fun.

Is the 3 point conversion a good solution? Has anyone pulled a finish mower with one?

Since they have a hand clutch, it seems like a snowblower could be used....has anyone tried this. My 2N doesn't have live PTO, so I'm stuch wth a backblade. It works, but eventually I'd like a snowblower.

I know....lot's of questions
Thanks in advance
Steve

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RMD

06-17-2000 19:28:33




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
I don't buy the comments about a CA not pulling as well as a 9N/2N. I grew up with a couple of CA's, but later bought a Ford 600 with a loader to move snow and dirt around the place. I was shocked at how poor the weight distribution and traction was with the Ford. It wouldn't go uphill in snow even with chains. After a few years, I got rid of the Ford and bought a D-12 (fundamentally same as CA) with a loader. With only 270 lbs. of wheel weights (vs. 1100 lbs. on the Ford) and no tire ballast (vs. loaded 28 inch tires on the Ford) the D12 has greatly superior traction.

Neither tractor should be used to pull grain carts up hills (tried that once with the CA). The Ford 9N/2N would likely handle a mounted brush hog better, since it has more weight on the front end (CA's are very light in the front). A CA is really best as a row crop tractor or for the garden - plowing, disking, and especially cultivating.

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Greg H.

06-19-2000 07:48:06




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 Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to RMD, 06-17-2000 19:28:33  
I don't mean to start an argument, but these are the couple examples of personal experiences that have led me to believe the way I do. I own a 66 4020 that I bale hay with. The fuel gage doesn't work, and I ran the stupid thing dry one day while baling. stupid and embarassing to say the least. I couldn't locate a five gallon can, and I wasn't taking a 55 gallon drum to the field, so I thought I'd have my brother; who was raking hay with a CA to just tow me into the barn lot, and refill at the pump. He waved my father down who was raking with a ford 8N, because dad happens to keep a log chain around the brush guard for extra weight and emergencies. Brother unhooked his rake, and I put old John in nuetral. The CA started off okay, but once we hit a slight grade, dug a hole,and rared up. After repeated efforts, dad laughed unhooked his rake, and wanted to try for fun. The ford also spun like you would believe,but did so faster, and kept digging until it got the 4020 out of the feild out onto the road, then it lugged it on up to the barn lot a couple hundred yards away. I had that 4020 weighted down to about 9500 pounds. I also have an old 6ft Bush Hog brand pull type brush hog. This is a heavy sucker, and is actually too big for either the CA, or the 8N, However I like to use it in the pasture feild on only slightly rolly ground. Both tracters have overrides so no one gets pushed over any banks. The CA will pull the flat spots in 2nd gear, but any sort of a grade requires a down shift to first, very slow. The same hog can be pulled everywhere I take it in 2nd gear behind the 8N, with a significant improvement in ground speed. I know every tractor is different,and I don't say I like the CA any less, it's just I use it for differnt things like raking hay, tedding hay, or if I'm mowing pasture with it, I'd use the belly sickle bar mower, I just don't pull in hay wagons with it, or brush hog, when I can keep from it,that's all. Also I honestly believe the gentleman should purchase the CA to keep, but get a WD 45 or a D15 to work with. If you've read all this you're more patient than I am. take care, Greg H.

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RMD

06-21-2000 21:17:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Greg H., 06-19-2000 07:48:06  
Your story reinforces my point about the CA having superior weight distribution and traction. The Ford in your story didn't have enough traction to dig in.



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Greg H.

06-22-2000 06:25:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to RMD, 06-21-2000 21:17:05  
I'm not in agreement with you, because the CA couldn't pull the load, and the 8N could. It stopped moving due to lack of momentum. The Ford has a higher speed first gear, and enough power to create the speed, which created the momentum, which pulled the load. The CA did not have the speed in first , and powered out in second. Maybe the CA you folks had was an exceptional tractor, or maybe the one I use now is a lemmon, due to it not having the strength yours seems to have. Again though, you are preaching to the chior, I like the CA, I'm just saying the little tractor we own won't pull the hat off your head. The CA also has trouble pulling 2-12 plows, and the 8N pulls them fine. In case your wondering both tractors run like perverbial tops, and they have special jobs that keep them both busy. have a good one. Greg H.

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Graber at SD

06-16-2000 20:46:34




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
A snowblower on a CA? No way! You will need many many weights on those rear tires to do anything. Get a D17



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Graber at SD

06-16-2000 20:46:19




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
A snowblower on a CA? No way! You will need many many weights on those rear tires to do anything. Get a D17



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Greg H.

06-16-2000 13:42:16




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
I know that there are differences between the 2n,and the 8n, but to the best of my knowledge HP is not one of them. On grandpa's farm we have an 8n, and a CA. The CA is great for mowing with a sickelbar and raking hay. As a draft animal, or a brush hog unit the CA in my oppinion is not a good tractor. The 8n ford, while not rated higher in regards to HP, seems to pull rings around the CA. Don't get me wrong I love the CA, but its too small to snow blow, and the brakes, even when new are only marginal, and you better hope you have it in the right gear starting up a hill, because they won't keep you from comming off the hill backwards if you miss your gear on a down shift. I spend alot of time on a CA each year, and I can't thing of a beter hay raking tractor, but if I were going to get an AC for a work tractor I'd go ahead and find a nice WD45. In reality they arn't much bigger in size. Alittle heavier, and a heck of alot more snappy. Theres an old saying around here that goes you can do a small job with a big tractor, but you can't do a big job with a small one. If you've got one lined up real cheap by all means by it, but don't expect it to reap havic on heavy chores. Parts are still very available, but when I fixed up Grandpa's, and would go to the dealership to buy parts I learned to fight off the erge to laugh and cry at the same time, as they told me the price. I love the CA, and it reminds me of Grandpa everytime I drive it. I sometimes even crank start it, because that's how he did it. {the battery went dead about 10 years before he died and he was too cheap to buy a new one.} Anyhow good luck, Greg H.

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Phil Auten (TX)

06-16-2000 11:49:46




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
Steve,
I think you will find that the CA will work rings around the 2N Ford. More HP, plus the hand clutch gives a more versatile tractor. The hand clutch will most likely have to be rebuilt, but parts are still available from AGCO. With that done, it should be able to handle the snowblower. 3-point conversions are readily available, and if you get really lucky, you might even be able to find an A-C 3-point adapter. It hooks into the traction boost system and gives better traction than the aftermarket hitches.

Phil

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Butch

06-16-2000 11:43:48




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 Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve warfle, 06-16-2000 10:05:02  
The better made 3 point conversions work very well. Once you get used to the hand clutch and the live PTO and Hyd it gives you I doubt if the Ford will see much use. If the Ford is handling the mower to your satisfaction the CA will thrill you



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Steve Warfle

06-16-2000 12:57:40




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 Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Butch, 06-16-2000 11:43:48  
The CA's go a lot cheaper around here. But when I bought my place, I needed a tractor ASAP. The reason I plan on keeping both, is that I get tired of changing implements. Let's face it....you can't have enough tractors. I'm gonna start looking for one ASAP.

As for the Snap coupler hitch, too bad it didn't become the standard. I like the fact that there is a standard, but how did it become Fords? I remember when I used to work for my neighbors, backing u the WD45 to implements, and hearing the ring snap into the bell, and then just reaching back and snapping the lift arms.....never got off the seat. Contrast this to the dance I do to line up my 3 point stuff.....it's insane.

Thanks
Steve

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John

06-16-2000 18:57:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to Steve Warfle, 06-16-2000 12:57:40  
The reason was that Harry Ferguson's patents expired before Allis Chalmers's



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RMD

06-17-2000 19:14:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Should I buy a CA? in reply to John, 06-16-2000 18:57:35  
Also three point implements are cheaper to make. The Snap-Coupler hitch requires a lot of iron on the implement that stays on the tractor with a three point hitch.



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