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Is a D17 for me???

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Bob Kirk

06-15-2000 07:05:01




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I've been looking for a utility tractor (preferably with a front-end loader and power steering) to do all manner of "chores" around 22 acres of woods in West Virginia -- harvesting and hauling fire wood, maybe a 3-point splitter and generator, snow plowing, road maintenance, etc.

Our woods road has a very long, very steep hill that would be the path for most of the firewood coming up to the house. Friends on this site have advised me to get a relatively "heavy" tractor to guard against back flips on this hill. Also something that doesn't jump out of gear, good brakes, etc.

Is the D17 a good candidate? They seem to be one of the lower priced tractors in my area for what they appear to be. My specific questions (I haven't driven one yet) are:

- I'm told the D17 does NOT have a hand clutch. Is their gearing in 1st gear slow enough for a lot of "creep around" work? Do they handle well enough for tight quarters woods work?

- What do they weigh?

- Can they handle a loader no problem?

- Do they vary in horsepower? I've seen ads listing them as 40 something to 60 something. Is there a "preferred" engine to look for? Is there anything special about the choice between gas or diesel in this model?

Thanks very much for sharing your experiences.

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J Hunt

06-16-2000 23:45:53




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 Re: Is a D17 for me??? in reply to Bob Kirk, 06-15-2000 07:05:01  
Where do you live in West Virginia, Bob? I also live in the mountain state and have a '58 D-17. They're pretty tough to find around here as Allis doesn't seem to be real popular especially the later, bigger machines. Mine originally came from PA. If you do find one, you can probably get a pretty good deal like I did because when you tell people you have an Allis Chalmers everyone looks at you like you're an escapee from a mental institution. I'm laughing all the way to the bank. I don't require a machine to have a sticker with a deer on the side of it. I looked at a big green machine and a big blue machine when I was looking. Orange tractor was in way better shape than either and half the price. Good Luck.

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Packer Backer

06-15-2000 08:28:53




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 Re: Is a D17 for me??? in reply to Bob Kirk, 06-15-2000 07:05:01  
The D17 would make a great choice for you - with the possible exception of a full hydraulic loader.
They basically came in three real variations: Series I/II, series III and series IV. Your ideal candidate would be a series IV, which has separate hydraulic spools to operate a fully hydraulic loader. Series III and IV had better brakes, although tougher to service, as well as a hydraulic system filter and dry element air cleaner. In comparison to other makes, the D17 is lower overall, and benefits from a lower center of gravity. To your questions:

1) They do indeed have a hand clutch, in fact one of the best made. Farmalls are notorious for burning them up. John Deere and Oliver generally didn't have them. AC's were two-range, with a neutral position to give you live PTO and hydraulics. I run my D17 III on a brush hog, and can keep it spooled up while negotiating obstacles and making turns - something totally impossible with competetive tractors of the era.
2) They weigh 5300 to 5500 pounds, depending on gas or diesel. You can add fluid to rear tires, adding a total of 1200# more.
3)They can handle a trip loader, no problem. Full hydraulic is not so easy. 4) HP is 52, regardless, for the gas. Diesel was somewhat less, as I recall. All should be 4 cylinder; if it is a 6 cylinder, it may be a D19 motor, in which case it would run in the 60 hp range. Good Luck
PB

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Brian Ahart

06-19-2000 06:01:00




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 Re: Re: Is a D17 for me??? in reply to Packer Backer, 06-15-2000 08:28:53  
Just a side note, the D17 gas was a 4-cyl engine, while the D17 diesel was a 6-cyl. The gas model used the 226 ci 4-cyl, while the diesel model used the 262 ci 6-cyl (non-turbo). The gas engine was rated at 52 hp; diesel was 51.xx hp. The D19 diesel used the same engine as the D17 diesel except that it was turbocharged in the D19 (67 hp). D19 gas was also a 262 ci 6-cyl (71 hp).

Brian



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Kent

06-15-2000 12:10:27




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 Re: Re: Is a D17 for me??? in reply to Packer Backer, 06-15-2000 08:28:53  
I agree with Packer. The D-17 is hard not to like for all around performance. You describe a "very" steep hill and expressed concerns about jumping out of gear and braking. Without knowing your terrain and uses it's hard to make a blanket recomendation, but have you considered the benefits & downsides of a small crawler tractor? Not as mobile, higher initial expense, etc. but for the jobs your'e describing it sounds like something to consider. Good luck.

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Packer Backer

06-16-2000 06:28:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Is a D17 for me??? in reply to Kent, 06-15-2000 12:10:27  
Kent has a good point about jumping out of gear - in hilly country, you definitely want to test any tractor before purchase (you can't really test for this on the flat lands). Hitch on a good sized load, and proceed down an incline for a decent distance - 50 to 100 yards or so. Try this in every gear, with the possible exception of 4th or high. I had a D14 that would never pop out unless I had weight behind me and the slope was just right - then it would pop out of 3rd. Make sure you have good brake before setting out on the test, however. Good Luck

PB

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