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D-19 Motor Problems??

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burkie

04-27-2000 16:06:49




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I just bought a D-19. At the auction, I noticed spark plug extenders (not sure thats the correct term for them) but wasn't sure why they were on the tractor. After getting home, my neighbor tells me they are put on motors that burn oil and foul the plugs. He says usually its just 1 or 2 cylinders but this has them on all 6 cylinders. I haven't worked the tractor yet and there is some blue smoke on start up but not noticable after warmed up. My ? is, how do I determine if this motor needs work? Will a compression check tell me anything. I have a service book that says what compression should be but how low is considered a problem? Are these engines expensive to overhaul? Thanks for any info

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jnh

04-30-2000 00:31:48




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 Re: D-19 Motor Problems?? in reply to burkie, 04-27-2000 16:06:49  
I'm no expert on Allis motors, but I do know something about engines in general. Blue smoke on startup usually indicates leaking valve seals. There are many reasons why engines can foul plugs besides oil usage and someone may have put them on in vain to try to stop it. Since there are 6 of them its a good indication that whoever put them on didn't know what they were doing. Seeing that they sold the tractor probably means they didn't fix it. One thing you probably be sure of is that you are going to have fouling problems probably with the anti-foulers and certainly without. If it is oil fouling, you will certainly notice the oil disappearing from the crankcase and coming out the stack as engines usually have to use alot of oil to oil foul plugs.

One common problem that causes plug fouling is improper ignition timing. Alot of folks(including one supposed expert tractor mechanic I know) set the timing idling to the full advance spec instead of at the full advance rpm. This guy I know rebuilt my neighbor and his' 35 Ferguson to stop plug fouling. This $650 bill and a couple of $100 bills later, he still had plug fouling. I set the timing and the valves on this tractor and hasn't fouled a plug since. Any weakness in the ignition system can lead to plug fouling. Another thing to look out for is improper valve lash.

I'd give the igniton system a good going over, checking the points, condensor, cap, rotor, wires, distributor shaft bushings etc. Also check to make sure the centifugal advance in the distributor is working properly and check the timing, making sure to set it to the right spec for the rpm. Then I'd set the valve lash and get 6 new Autolites(my preference -- and they come in a nice orange box). There is a good possibility that if all this stuff is right, you won't need the anti-foulers. If you still have problems then you may have to consider getting into the innards of the motor. Maybe just valve seals or maybe worse. Good luck.

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burkie

04-30-2000 05:59:24




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 Re: Re: D-19 Motor Problems?? in reply to jnh, 04-30-2000 00:31:48  
By the way, what is the correct plug for this engine? It has Autolite 56 in it now. I looked in the operators manual and it said Champion N-5 which I haven't found anywhere. Do you know the thread pattern for the plugs. I might buy a compression tester.



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Richard (KS)

04-28-2000 08:48:16




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 Re: D-19 Motor Problems?? in reply to burkie, 04-27-2000 16:06:49  
I'm sure others on this board can offer more direct answers but I would probably want the compression pressure to be at least 70-80% of the published figure. Be sure to remove all the spark plugs and block the throttle wide open to get an accurate reading. If you find the reading to be low squirt a tablespoon or so of oil in the cylinder and repeat; if rings are weak, the reading will increase. Another tool that is very useful is a leak-down tester. This will tell you not only how well the cylinder is sealed but if there is leakage you can pin-point the source of it. The NASCAR racers don't want more than about 5% leakage but for normal duty I would think that if you're inside 30% you'd be OK. You can make a leak-down tester with an air pressure regulator and a couple of 0-100 psi gauges. Adjust the inlet pressure to 100 psi (an easy figure to work with) and measure the pressure maintained in the cylinder. Obviously the cylinder will need to be at TDC on compression and you'll want to block the engine from rotating. Alternatively loosen both rockers so the valves are shut and check the leakage with the piston at BDC. (If you have a lot of cylinder taper this can give an erroneous reading). Good luck!

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CP's/AC's

04-28-2000 13:54:04




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 Re: Re: D-19 Motor Problems?? in reply to Richard (KS), 04-28-2000 08:48:16  
Burkie, if you obtain a favorable compression test, remove the non-foulers and perform your run test again. If it still only smokes at startup, or at acceleration after idling a while, it would be a sure guess it needs valve seals, and possibly guides. PS. I wouldn't advise pressurizing cyl at tdc, just my opinion. cp



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