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WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders

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Steve O'Dwyer

04-18-2000 19:15:51




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Hello, I've got a WC that has one crack between the #1 and #2 cylinders. Heard that this is quite common. Can I rebuild this engine or do I need to look for another block? Can these be welded with success? The crack has not shifted up or down. This little tractor will see some light work. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Steve




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Steve O'Dwyer

04-20-2000 09:01:48




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 Re: WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders in reply to Steve O'Dwyer, 04-18-2000 19:15:51  
Gentlemen,

Many thanks for your helpful replies. I have the engine at the machine shop and await the results on the remaining magnaflux inspections. So far, there is only one crack on the upper webbing between cylinders 1 and 2. We'll have to wait until the liners are out for the remaining inspections, but it does look promising.

Best Regards,
Steve O'Dwyer



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Grandad (MI)

04-18-2000 20:31:08




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 Re: WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders in reply to Steve O'Dwyer, 04-18-2000 19:15:51  
Probably 99 out of 100 older Allis blocks have the cracks between the sleeves. As long as the cracks are small and only on the upper portion of the webbing they can be rebuilt and there won't be any problems. If the crack is in the lower portion of the web near the O ring seal there might be a problem with water leaking into the oil. The cracks could probably be welded but then the block would have to be remachined.

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D.W. Sapp

04-18-2000 19:23:10




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 Re: WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders in reply to Steve O'Dwyer, 04-18-2000 19:15:51  
The experts will follow this one up also, but I think you will be all right. This question has popped up a few times in the past.



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CP's A/C's

04-18-2000 21:43:05




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 Re: Re: WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders in reply to D.W. Sapp, 04-18-2000 19:23:10  
Steve, I would not consider myself an authority on this repair, but I repaired mine with no more tools than the average antique tractor owner would have in his tool box. A deck level crack, as Grandad said, will probably live with a new head gasket and not leak. My WF was cracked in 2 of the three lower web locations, between the sleeves @ the o ring area. I drilled the crack, dead center, to about one quarter inch of going through, then tapped it 1/4-20 (bottoming tap). I then cleaned the hole with brake cleaner & compressed air, next, fill hole with non hardening #2 Permatex or rtv silicone, then screw in a 3/4 or 1 in. long set screw to bottom out. This will cause a hydraulic effect, and pushes the sealer throughout the crack. Then I added a coat of JB Weld to the area of the crack that is exposed to the coolant chamber. If you dry fit the set screw, use a length that will leave about a quarter inch out, so it can hold the JB Weld, and the JB Weld will hold the screw. I made this repair last year and so far no coolant in the oil pan. Feel free to ask, if you need . CP

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gene

05-27-2000 10:46:28




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 Re: Re: Re: WC Engine-Cracks between cylinders in reply to CP's A/C's, 04-18-2000 21:43:05  
I have used an epoxy we called Red Hand on many wet sleeve engines that had cracks and pits in the seal or web areas. The gentleman who drilled the hole and taped and used the screw as a hydraulic pump of sorts is also a way that you can apply Red Hand, JB Weld or almost any sort of sealer that is oil impervious. Good luck.



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