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Tommy D

03-01-2000 07:34:51




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Hi all. Hope ya'll won't mind a Ford boy to ask a question here. May even get a "convert" out of the deal. Anyway, here's my story/question:

I have been sort-of seeing a shape across the road under an old shed that resembled an old tractor. The owner of this property has a D17 that he uses, but this looked like a much older machine, but I couldn't see much of it, and it is a good ways off the road.
The owner the other day asked me if I'd plow up a small garden spot (50' X 100') for him so he could plant some veggies. He said his D17 was a bit big for the job and the 3 pt. didn't work well with a turning plow.
After I plowed his plot with my trusty little Kubota, I just HAD to ride down to the barn and check it out. Randall (the owner) said it wasn't a WD45, but a smaller WC something. Let me try to describe it:
It is narrow front with 2 wheels. It has hand brakes out next to each fender. It is a 4 cyl., gas engine. It has no 3 point. It's PTO comes out of the back of the motor via a drive shaft and enters the rear end and turns the PTO shaft.


All in all, this machine looked scary to me to operate. Looked like an average sized gravel would tip it over, and how would one operate 2 brake levers, steering wheel, gears, etc. with only 2 hands?

Anyway, Randall said it ran fine when it was parked where it is some 7 years ago, and he might be talked out of it for a semi-annual garden plowing and maybe a little bush-hogging around the barn.

Finally, my questions are:

1. Does anyone have any idea from the above what model machine this might be and/or the years it was mfg? Where on it is the serial #, model #, etc.?

2. Is it a possibility for restoration for show purposes or just junk everyone probably has? I wouldn't even try to work with this machine as it looks like a death trap in the hills and hollows here in N. Ga.

Any guidance or info would be appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Tommy D.
Dalton, Ga.

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Dennis J. Rochette

12-26-2000 13:57:55




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
Looking for manuals for:
Allis-Chalmers Mfg.
Engine Model # 1000
Eng. # 118399



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Tommy D. - It's a Styled WC

03-02-2000 08:06:57




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
Gee! You guys are as prompt and efficient as Bern and the guys on the Ford board! Thanks!

It is definitely a "styled" WC. I will get the serial # this weekend as I need to re-run the disc over there again. I will post the # when I get it.

By the way, I found one just like it here in the photo gallery.

Also, I'll try to talk to Randall (the owner) then as well and see if he is really serious about his offer. If so, I'm going to tow it home with the Ford (not sure the rice-burner 'Bota can pull it) before he changes his mind!

Thanks so much - Damn, got the fever again! Hope my marriage will survive!

Tommy D.
Dalton, Ga.

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tim [in]

03-02-2000 01:00:27




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
i know one guy who got me to buy my first wd ,well he had a wc like you are talking about but he called it a wd that he farmed with . and he skeidded logs up and down i trail that i would be nervous driving in a jeep ! i'm not saying it's not dangerous, but i havenever [knock on wood] turned my wd or d 17 over . and the loader is on the narrow front wd.and i know a farmer who until 2 years ago put 1500# round bales in his hayloft with a wd45 narrow front and a kelley loader i believe. i would prefer my wd for all the reasons the other guys stated but for an extra tractor or a first i would go for it! good luck. =)

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D-17DAVE

03-01-2000 19:40:31




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
I'll make a deal with you, plow for him and I'll buy the WC from you. This was ALLIS-CHALMERS first major selling tractor. An all purpose lightweight overpowerd for it's size marvel. Don't miss this oppertunity to own a piece of history like this, that cheap.



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D13

03-01-2000 18:58:46




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
The later WC's were "styled", adopting the look of the "B" and "C". The serial number on a WC is stamped right on the rear end housing, in the middle (just above where your Ford's PTO unit is). I have a 1940 WC, styled, PTO and power lift, that set in a barn for 20 years before being "rescued". I traded my "C" with burned valves for it, making it worth about $650. TOwing it home, a man asked me if I wanted a belt pulley, for$25. He gave me the pulley and its drive, plus a spare PTO shaft and a good mag!! WC's refuse to stop running (or leaking oil) and are best used on flat ground in a straight line. For more entertainment, see ROger Welsh's books "Old Tractors and the Men who Love Them" and Busted Iron and Rusty Knuckles". The second is the better of the two - good tractor comedy.

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Brian G.

03-01-2000 13:15:52




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
Mark, I never cease to be amazed by the things knowledgable guys like you can do with computers. That's a beautiful drawing. Between Richard's detailed description and your picture, Tommy D. should have no problem telling whether or not the tractor in question is a WC.



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Richard (KS)

03-01-2000 09:27:25




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
Good call Mark! Tommy, picture illustrates an un-styled WC.



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Richard (KS)

03-01-2000 09:24:56




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
Well, WC's were built from about 1933 to about 1947. Styled sheet metal was introduced from about 1938 on. They had hand brakes, though I've heard of some aftermarket foot conversions. Serial number on WD's and WD-45's is located on the back of the left rear axle housing, so I'd try looking there first. You'll probably have to scrape away some paint/grease/rust to see it. Except for the real early ones, the engine is a 201 cubic inch 4-cylinder, 4-inch bore x 4-inch stroke. My wife's uncle has one with a narrow front that they used to use with a trip loader, and it was REAL easy to tip over. On WC's the shifter comes up out of the transmission underneath the gas tank and angles back, it also has a latch lever on the side which lets you into the reverse gate. Throttle will be about half way down the steering column. On un-styled WC's the rear fenders will be basically half-round, while styled WC's have what are called "clam-shell" rear fenders. I don't think there are hydraulics or hitches on any WC's; just the drawbar, 540 PTO, and belt pulley (optional). Some had a foot-operated "power lift" for mounting a cultivator under the belly. This is sort of a cam-operated trip mechanism similar to what old plows used for raising and lowering. WC's are fine old tractors, but I opted for a WD as my first in order to get foot brakes, hydraulics, Snap Coupler hitch with Traction Booster, and semi-live PTO via the hand clutch. Hope this helps. Good luck!

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Mark J.

03-01-2000 09:06:14




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 Re: AC-Ignorant with question in reply to Tommy D, 03-01-2000 07:34:51  
third party image

Does it look something like this picture?

Mark J.



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