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ATF and a stuck motor

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swampturkey

05-19-2008 19:19:25




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When utilizing ATF to free a motor on a C, what has been the average soak time for those who have had success with this process? Do you need to reapply the ATF every few days?




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swampturkey

05-20-2008 20:09:33




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to swampturkey, 05-19-2008 19:19:25  
Saved the C from the iron pile, the garage is full so I have it outside.The head still on. Got home late tonight,but I slipped out to recharge the ATF. Now on day four,I rocked the tractor and the fan moved a 1/4 inch. I think that is a good sign.I assume patiance is still key and work it slowly.



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old

05-20-2008 20:59:40




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to swampturkey, 05-20-2008 20:09:33  
If the fan moved that much I bet if you pull the plugs out and set a 12 volt battery in it, then use short fast taps on the starter it would spin over for you. Warning if it does and your in the wrong place you will get a tranny fluid shower. BTDT many times. The starter will put out far more torque then you can by rocking it and it will tall out before it will brake parts. I never try the rocking thing because I have found its to much work for very little if any return

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Edpap

05-20-2008 18:12:17




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to swampturkey, 05-19-2008 19:19:25  
Hello,
I use Kroil oil, most times I can soak them down real good and come in the next morning and work it free with a wench or socket working it in both directions.
I can't wait a few weeks for ATF. you need a good penetrating oil, Kano Kroil Oil is the best I have found. I couldn't work without it. The key to free up a motor is to rock it back and forth, either with the wheels or socket.
Good Luck Ed

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greatwest

05-20-2008 07:50:06




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to swampturkey, 05-19-2008 19:19:25  
I do not like atf as it only works on very gently stuck engines. vinegar works much better! It eats rust well. get a bar in the flywheel hole and pry against ring gear. eventually it will usually come loose.



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old

05-20-2008 08:36:37




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to greatwest, 05-20-2008 07:50:06  
Vinegar is and acid and it will eat the pistons, rings and cylinders if left in very long. As far as ATF it woks on any engine that is going to free up it just takes time since it also took time to lock it up. I have one tractor that I know was locked up for 15 plus years and in just a couple weeks it was freed up and it runs well now



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old

05-19-2008 20:50:41




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to swampturkey, 05-19-2008 19:19:25  
No average time as far as soaking because no single stuck engine will be the same. Some pop loose after just a few days some take a few months. Yes you need to keep checking to make sure the cylinders stay full. If they don't then at least you know the ones that did not are freeing up. Its the one that does stay full that is the problem one. Also always put the plugs back in to keep dirt and water out. I have had 2 engines soaking now for at least 3 months and they have not freed up but I have had others that freed up in less then 2 days

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MarkKansas

05-20-2008 16:22:00




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to old, 05-19-2008 20:50:41  
Yeah, I'm following Old's advise also.. I've got a D14 I'm tring to break loose.. I opened it up yesterday.. Looked terrible. Lots of rust deposits.. I have had it soaking about 10 days now..



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old

05-20-2008 18:01:14




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to MarkKansas, 05-20-2008 16:22:00  
You can also mix atf and turpentine 50/50 and some times that will speed things up. But turpentine is hard to find or at least it is where I live. Look at my web site if you haven't already and you will see a few of my toys



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JT

05-20-2008 14:27:25




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to old, 05-19-2008 20:50:41  
I am up to 2 weeks on a WD45 hoping this solves the problem. I have faith in ya, Rich. Jim



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old

05-20-2008 18:03:52




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to JT, 05-20-2008 14:27:25  
Do you have the head off or is it still on?? If its off you can some times speed it up by almost filling the cylinders with ATF and then add about a table spoon of gas and carefully light it up. Keep doing that till the side of the engine is warm then use a 12 volt battery and use fast short taps on the starter button

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JT

05-20-2008 19:54:11




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to old, 05-20-2008 18:03:52  
I have not done anything except take out plugs, blow air in to get any loose stuff out and put 1/2 quart of ATF in each cylinder, put plugs back in, and rock it 2-3 times a days as I walk around the back lot. or I will grab crank and try to turn it. this tractor ran about 18 months ago, so I don't think it will be a bad one to get it back up and running.
Jim



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old

05-20-2008 20:50:43




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to JT, 05-20-2008 19:54:11  
Well unless it got water down the exhaust I'd almost bet if you put a 12 volt battery in it and hit the starter button with short fast taps it would spin over tomorrow. Rocking it in gear or using the hand crank is about like trying to pull a loaded pick up with a riding mower. Ya if might pull it if its going down hill but thats the only way. A starter puts out about 10 times more torque then you will ever be able to put out. Plus it will stall before it will brake parts in the engine other then maybe a rocker arm or push rod

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JT

05-24-2008 06:17:10




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 Re: ATF and a stuck motor in reply to old, 05-20-2008 20:50:43  
gonna do the battery thing this weekend, will let ya know what happens.
Jim



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