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Allis D-17 Plugs?

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Smith1000

04-09-2008 15:52:02




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How do I tell if I have the 3/8" or 3/4" inset? They showed 2 listings for a D17. I bought Autolite plugs. Thanks.




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Smith1000

04-10-2008 17:57:22




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-09-2008 15:52:02  
Thanks you to all. I bought 4 of each and will use them all if it doesn't really matter. This D17 is good on gas and doesn't seem to foul the plugs as bad when I run it out right hot cutting hay. Other times, it seems like if fouls them sooner than expected. I do not even know the year of the tractor, but will look for the serial number.
I read E85 gas in cars can drop the mileage by as much as 7 mpg. Seems like the E85 is always a little cheaper. Premium must be right up there now. I haven't even looked at the price recently.

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mlpankey

04-10-2008 05:42:23




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-09-2008 15:52:02  
dont worry on the 226 engine what plug reach you use . cause if it is to long it will push up against the back of the head where the plugg crater and never strike a piston or a valve. i have found that the plug that is in between 3/8 reach and 3/4 icant remember the plug reach of the top of my head but any way they work better in a 3/8 reach head than the 3/8 do as far as power . i have also used 3/4 reach with index gaskets in 3/8 with a .040 plug gap and not flattened the plug gap. the closer the spark is to the center of the piston the better the power gains .

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Jerry Coulter

04-10-2008 05:10:06




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-09-2008 15:52:02  
3/4" reach plugs were used on engines with serial number 17-17293 and up. 3/8" reach were used on prior engines.



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Smith1000

04-10-2008 04:02:40




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-09-2008 15:52:02  
Thanks Mark. I thought about checking them against the old plugs, but then questioned whether it currently has the right plugs in it. I put plugs in it last year and don't recall this issue.

It tends to foul the plugs and run poorly fairly frequently. It may be due to engine wear rather than related to the plug reach.

I have had the tractor about a year. I might be able to gauge the depth of the reach with a wire.

I heard any plugs but Champion should work.

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Mark - IN.

04-10-2008 04:46:09




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-10-2008 04:02:40  
You're right about checking the thread depth in the head as being an indicator for sure, if the diameter of the threads are the same. I haven't seen the two plugs to compare them, but know that some plugs for different engines in general, aren't even the same diameter. That may not be your case. Ford for instance had a habit of using the shorter thread, but a huge diameter at the threads, where the longer smaller diameter threads would just drop into the head plug hole. That may not be your case.

The sooting up might be fuel richness, dirty card or air cleaner.

I'm going to try something in my B I've never tried before. Before you fall out of your chair, hold on. I'm going to try even the far more expensive premium grade. I know that sounds both insane, and like a waste of $$$, but in my gas vehicals, I've always run premium and still do. I get far better milage, the engines run better, I figure the cost difference offsets itself. In my company owned work truck, the accountants gave me what for over using premium, "wasting company money, blah, blah, blah" so I stopped. I've gone from about 320 miles on a tank to about 280, and now stop more often. I still figure the cost offests itself, but the accounts say "...we're warning you mister...". Their truck, they win. My gassers, I win. Gonna try premium in my B and see if it don't cut down on the sooting, which has to be better performance. Its just the thought of the salty price. But that B's never let me down, so I figure I oughta take good care of her as well.

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Mark - IN.

04-09-2008 20:28:43




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Smith1000, 04-09-2008 15:52:02  
I don't have a D17, but my older B would be the shorter threaded plug. Did they use the longer threads back then? Without looking, I'd bet depended on what Series your D17 is, the older I'm guessing shorter, the newer...longer. Pull the existing plugs and see whats in there now. They're not physically interchangable, so can't go wrong that way.

Hey, thanks for the reminder. Bought a new set of plugs for the B a couple of years ago, and they were getting hard to find. Better go down this weekend and see what's available while still are, and buy some up.

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Steve in NJ

04-10-2008 04:03:11




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Mark - IN., 04-09-2008 20:28:43  
Mark,
We have a boat load of 295 Autolites for the B/C/CA models as well as other Autolite numbers for other AC applications. If you have a problem finding em', drop us a line. Be happy to help ya out...
Steve@B&B



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Mark - IN.

04-10-2008 04:11:36




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Steve in NJ, 04-10-2008 04:03:11  
Thanks Steve. I've always said that B will still be running years after I'm long gone, and I mean it. Would hate to lie to the next owner (after I'm dead and gone) because has no plugs. Grin.



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Steve in NJ

04-11-2008 03:35:07




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 Re: Allis D-17 Plugs? in reply to Mark - IN., 04-10-2008 04:11:36  
LOL! Got me on that one Mark! good one!



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