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C Verses B

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jk

03-23-2008 08:49:24




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my brother is buying a plow this week. he does not no what size the moldboard is. he has a B but its green. My question is, How big of a plow (i.e a one bottom 16 inch moldboard) will my C pull. its a one bottom plow, and our soil around here is heavy clay. i though i heard that a C will pull 2-12's in light ground, but i'm not sure. thanks




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DARDAN

03-24-2008 22:22:32




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
Yea, and people say my old WD won't handle 3-14s in clay either.
Please don't tell the WD, it hasn't known that it can't do that for the last 25 years.



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DARDAN

03-24-2008 22:09:23




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
We had a '39 AC B with loaded 9-24s and no exrta weights that would work circles around the neihbor's '36 JD B. The neihbor would have us pull loaded wagons up his barn bank that his JD couldn't .
My brother used to plow thru 7year old alfalfa with with a 2-12 oliver pull type. He found out he could even do 3rd gear in the stubble ground (when Dad wasn't home). It looked like it had already been disked.
I used an AC C for years with a IH little wonder 2-12 in some pretty rank clay ground(is there any other kind?), almost all the time in second. After dark the bottom few inches of the muffler would glow.
I also ran my 60 combine with it, and could pull more corn in the wagon behind my NI one row corn picker than my WC would with dry rear tires.
My C has dry 9.5-24s with one std C wheel weight on each side and is still stock bore.
These Bs and Cs are real little work horses if in decent condition and you can get a little more weight on them

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chalmersbob

03-23-2008 19:02:51




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
When I was a kid I had a 50 "B" with a 16" plow mounted on it and could pull it in 3rd gear. tires loaded, no weights. So I asked a neighbor if I could hook-up to his 2-12's that he pulled behind his Fordson. The b walked away with it in 2nd gear. Most farmers in our neighborhood say you have to pull 1 less moldboard the the tractor is rated for. I bought the plow. It has the power, just need the weight. Bob

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chalmersbob

03-23-2008 19:02:15




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
when I was a kid I had a 50 "B" with a 16" plow mounted on it and could pull it in 3rd gear. tires loaded, no weights. So I asked a neighbor if I could hook-up to his 2-12's that he pulled behind his Fordson. The b walked away with it in 2nd gear. Most farmers in our neighborhood say you have to pull 1 less moldboard the the tractor is rated for. I bought the plow. It has the power, kust need the weight. Bob

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jk

03-23-2008 12:59:08




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
my tires are not loaded, but i have 2 sets of wheel weights. do you think my C will "out plow" my brothers Green B?



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old

03-23-2008 13:39:06




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 12:59:08  
Might depend on the year of that green B. If its a later styled one probably not. If its an un-styled it would be close. But I also own a JD-B and 2 Cs that run and 2 that are parts.



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jk

03-23-2008 14:20:23




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to old, 03-23-2008 13:39:06  
the green B is a 45 or 45. its tires are not loaded either. Hey Dick L, how much weight do you have on your B?



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DickL

03-23-2008 15:15:20




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 14:20:23  
Just 350 on a side and 100 under the seat in the last picture. I had 80 pounds on the front. I can hang more on the front if needed. I only had 40 in this picture.

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old

03-23-2008 15:05:57




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 14:20:23  
That would make it a styled B and yes it would probably plow circles around that C. Years ago we had a Allis B and a JD-B and the JD was pulling 2-12 plow and the B a 1-16 and the JD-B would out plow the Allis B. Sitting side by side the JD-B would pull faster then the B would pull. Oh by the way the JD-B is the same one as in my web site and its a 1935 JD-B unstyled

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wilman

03-24-2008 17:55:19




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to old, 03-23-2008 15:05:57  
First off, there is no such thing as a styled or unstyled Allis B. Only models in the Allis line that came styled or unstyled were the WC and WF models. 2nd, technically, the B is a little smaller tractor than a C. The B was set up for 1 row farming and the C, 2 row farming. Earlier B"s had a BE engine in them and were rated at 15.68 drawbar horse power and the later B"s had the CE engine (the same engine as the C) and were rated at 22.25 horse power where the C with the same engine was rated at 23.30 horse power. The engine switch came in 1943.

Dicks fine tractor is a Model B with a C front end on it.

A JD B, while lacking 2 cylinders, has a lot more iron in it than an Allis B.

Wil

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old

03-24-2008 17:59:49




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to wilman, 03-24-2008 17:55:19  
You need to read the complete post. We where talking about both allis Bs and JD Bs Always read it all before saying something or you might step in to it like you have here



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DickL

03-23-2008 13:28:35




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 12:59:08  
With the C weighted enough to hold the tires it will pull 2 /14's. Dad farmed 148 acres of heavy ground with his C pulling a 2/14 John Deere pull type plow.



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Glenn F.

03-23-2008 13:37:31




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to DickL, 03-23-2008 13:28:35  
There's NO way any B will pull 2-14's around here! ...More fish stories.

Glenn (NE Wisconsin)



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DickL

03-23-2008 14:10:13




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to Glenn F., 03-23-2008 13:37:31  
This is probly a fish tale as well.

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DickL

03-23-2008 14:16:22




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to DickL, 03-23-2008 14:10:13  
I was having more tire slipage than I wanted when I took th eabove picture so added weight again. Tires were not loaded. If I had the tires loaded with this weight I would pull 2/14's easy. Power does not seem to be a problem for this B.

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Glenn F.

03-23-2008 20:26:50




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to DickL, 03-23-2008 14:16:22  
Bring that B and 2-14 plow to Green Bay. This should be good. NO ONE pulls 2-14's with a tractor that size around here!

Glenn F.



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Dick L

03-24-2008 19:54:33




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to Glenn F., 03-23-2008 20:26:50  
Fact is Dad farmed 148 acres with a C Allis Chalmers and the plow he pulled was a John Deere 2/14 bottom plow. He also bought a new 8 foot Oliver disk that he pulled with it. He bought the tractor just before WW2 ended. At the auction he paid 300 dollars for a pitch fork and the tractor was given to him as a way they got around the rules at the time. He bought the plow at another auction. I guess Dad was not as smart as you and didn't know that it couldnt pull it so he worked with what he had to make it work.
Fact is I don't tell things that are not true and I do not give opinions. I only tell what I have done or been a part of. At age 70 I have seen a coupla things and have done a coupla things also.

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DiyDave

03-23-2008 11:10:04




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to jk, 03-23-2008 08:49:24  
Your C should pull that 16" easily. Even if it has the older, smaller cid motor.



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Brian Jasper co. Ia

03-23-2008 11:16:15




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 Re: C Verses B in reply to DiyDave, 03-23-2008 11:10:04  
A "C" will pull 2 12's if it has enough weight on it. I've seen it done.



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