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the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor

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John Baehl

01-21-2008 21:03:27




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I was wanting to know the most rare Allis chalmers farm tractor, I was told there is a model A which is the most rare they Last manufactured them in 1942 would there be any available for restoration to purchase does anybody have information to support what i have been told about the model A being the most rare allis chalmers tractor , i would apreciate any information on this topic , i thankyou very much sincerely John Baehl

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cadet trooper

01-22-2008 16:17:23




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
You guys have got me but the only one I can think of right now is either a B or C Allis prototype that ran on batteries one of the first electric tractors. I got an e-mail about a year ago from my buddy of pictures of one I don't know how many were made but my guess is less than three because usually that's how many are produced. Since Allis at one time was into power generators its believable. I don't know if my buddy has that info anymore but if so I will post it. This is kind of like the 580 Cockshutt I only know of one out of three left. I guess it sold in the 1980's for $75000 and I know of a guy who said if he knew it was going that cheap he would have bought it.Too rich for my blood!

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John (C-IL)

01-22-2008 18:05:04




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to cadet trooper, 01-22-2008 16:17:23  
You're thinking about the fuel cell tractor that is owned by the Smithsonian and on loan to a museum near Hutchinson, MN.



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cadet trooper

01-23-2008 15:57:37




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John (C-IL), 01-22-2008 18:05:04  
That's the one John, I'd say that one is rare do you know if it was a B or C? I do like that 40SP though.



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Phill Snartland

01-22-2008 10:28:19




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
What about the REALLY old ones like the 10-18 (first tractor made by Allis Chalmers) or the 6-12?

Those have to be more rare than the A's and U's, and even the 25-40 and other green ones.

What does everybody think?



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JMS/.MN

01-22-2008 17:00:38




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to Phill Snartland, 01-22-2008 10:28:19  
Snoop around Rockville, west of the post office, up to the car wash/gas station (Karls?). 1-2 houses from there, going east- guy used to have something like that, or a Moline. Big, high drivers, round pipe for a main frame. Would be 70+ years old by now- saw it 35 years ago.



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J.C.in AZ.

01-22-2008 10:10:25




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
Probably the rarest I ever saw was an AC "C" which was size wise along the lines of an AC"A'. It was in the Tractor Pull at Lake George Colorado around 4th of July. I never believed the man who owns it about the "C" part until I saw it. I believe in age it was older than the United "U" series. Check out the Mile High Engine Clubs Pull at Lake George or Salida Colorado this summer. It probably will be there.

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John (MO)

01-22-2008 09:09:45




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
That one D21 FWA might be the rarest bird



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etaN

01-22-2008 17:51:41




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John (MO), 01-22-2008 09:09:45  
thats my guess... theres only one remaining of the original 10



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NE IA

01-22-2008 09:01:00




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
The RC's are not on top of the list, but somewhat unusual. The W speed Patrol are somewhat rare, alot of folks refer to them as the WC Speed Patrol. However Allis Chalmers owners manuals and parts books call them W's. Thats why there is alot of confusion perhaps on WC Speed Patrol numbers. That is just my asumption anyway, because there are alot of W's that I know of.

I did once see a B grader that I'm pretty sure was factory at the Hutcison MN show or otherwise it was near Marshaltown Ia. I would trade my wife and first born for a actual WC grader, And I'm not even sure if any are left, never seen one. Most scrap iron guys have probably got to them over the years. I kinda wonder if they were added on as a implment. Chuck Wendel's book has a picture of one, but it's been along time since I read the article, and have no idea who borrowed my book last.

Otherwise my choice would be any AC that is green, and I'm so gratfull there are any left considering their age.

Very interesting post you started here. NE IA

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old

01-22-2008 18:00:24




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to NE IA, 01-22-2008 09:01:00  
Have you been to my web site?? If you haven't you should see my W speed patrol or WC speed patrol which ever it is. I have seen a few of them but only a few one of which I own and use all the time. I know the one I have is based on a WC tractor



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John (C-IL)

01-22-2008 07:25:10




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
Brad pretty much has it nailed. There have been some recent auction results where some of the green models have brought from $30,000 to $40,000. A few really nice A's have been offered in the $20,000 area with no takers and there are some project A's out there for under $10,000. In reality the A may be more desireable because there are still parts available in sufficient quantities to make a restoration practical.

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morton

01-22-2008 07:16:49




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
i would have go with the all crop 40 SP that was developed for the military durring world war 2. Only 5 of them were made, and I can think of at least 2 off the top of my head, and i know theres at least 3 left.



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Skyhighballoon(MO)

01-22-2008 08:18:54




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to morton, 01-22-2008 07:16:49  
Morton - you mean one of these...This one is is John Mrotek's. Mike

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LEH

01-22-2008 18:59:48




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to Skyhighballoon(MO), 01-22-2008 08:18:54  
Was this a proto- type unit? It looks like it has a Ford automobile steering axle with brake drums. The AC combines I've seen, the chaff comes out the side.



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Brad-MN

01-21-2008 22:54:24




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to John Baehl, 01-21-2008 21:03:27  
The model A is most definitely not the most rare AC tractor. Although they are highly sought after by collectors, there were 1225 model A's produced during it's run in the late 30's to early 40's. There are several tractors in AC's history that had much lower production runs. One that comes to mind is an unstyled WC speed maintainer, only 411 of those came out of West Allis. Another one would be the very first model B's that came from the factory with Waukesha flat head engines...there were only 96 of those. The same with the first 28 WC's in 1933, they had Waukesha engines from the factory as well, there are only 2 of those that anyone knows to still exist today. A's are very sweet tractors that look really good and are well sought after by collectors, but there are others that are much more rare and valuable.

Brad

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Dale J. Haymaker

01-23-2008 07:26:46




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 Re: the most rare Allis Chalmers Tractor in reply to Brad-MN, 01-21-2008 22:54:24  
There are several AC tractors with low production numbers, one I think is over looked is the 1940 B Potato Special, no one knows how many were made but to my knowledge only a handful exist today. I have one in my AC Museum at Paris, Il. along with a 1940 B Asparagus Special of which there are several know to exist. Dale

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