Re: desert sunset paint code

Posted by Rod (NH) on March 12, 2006 at 08:55:01 from (64.140.200.138):

In Reply to: Re: desert sunset paint code posted by 1030 brian on March 11, 2006 at 20:09:31:

I haven't seen any reference at all to any Desert Tan. PPG indicates a Desert Sunset and no other name with Desert in it. MS, SW and DuPont indicate a Desert Sand (not Sunset) and also Beige listed against the same number. Check out the links I provided for MS and SW. If you poke around the MS site in the competitor's cross reference search engine, you'll find that the number crosses from PPG to MS even though the name changes from Desert Sunset to Desert Sand in the process. That's one reason why it's very important to actually test a sample to be sure of what you are getting - if you are particular with shade. Trying to match up a modern automotive paint to an original tractor color from 50 or more years ago can be iffy indeed. It's a lot more uncertain than getting a color code off a fairly recent automobile and having it mixed up at the paint store. The automotive paint market is in automobiles not tractors. There is little economic incentive for major paint companies to maintain formula references over many, many years with all kinds of changes in paint chemistry and environmental regulations for what is basically a nil demand. If you get close to where you think you should be, you're lucky. You might even be better off, color-wise, in getting your paint at a Case dealer. They might have better control when contracting with a major paint manufacturer to provide large quantities of a very specific, custom built color to be marketed under the Case label. If they have an acrylic-modified alkyd enamel as they apparently do have in the IH colors, it certainly would be better than plain alkyd implement paint. Debatably, it could be as good, or nearly as good, as the OMNI MAE acrylic enamel. I don't know, but that could be an option for you.

I suspect your local jobber is dropping the Centari line because of insufficient demand to justify maintaining the mixing tints for it. I have no idea how widespread such a thing might be. A similar situation with PPG's Delstar is quite widespread as best I can determine, although it is still being made and seems to be available more in the midwest than here in the east. Yes, just about all, if not all, auto manufacturers now use urethane base/clear systems - they have been for well over 10 years. And the auto refinish business has, by necessity, followed the OEMs. Single stage enamels are old history as far as auto OEMs are concerned. In my opinion (and some will disagree) PPGs OMNI line of paints represent a good value for the money. However, they are considered "economy" products that tend to be used more in the low-end auto refinish market. You will likely not find an OMNI product used in any body shop that does panel repairs to reasonably new cars or trucks, even the OMNI base/clear product. The color control is not as good as the more expensive lines. Where it might be fine for an overall paint job, it would not be satisfactory for a replacement fender that had to match the existing door next to it. OMNI can't compete with the higher-priced products for that part of the market. You usually don't get into such a situation with tractors so that is less of an issue. I think that you would find that Centari would not be as thin, would cover better with fewer coats and would apply easier in general. Not that OMNI is bad. It's that Centari, in my opinion, is better. But it's also more expensive. I haven't bought either recently so I don't have a current, accurate cost comparison. However, I would guess that Centari is about twice as expensive as OMNI MAE for an equivalent mix in the same color cost bracket, all components considered. Is Centari twice as good as OMNI MAE? If you are considering unhardened versions of both paints and put a high value on recoatability, the answer may be yes. If not, then I think the answer is no.

I don't want to start up the isocyanate debate here again but I am assuming you do not have a supplied air breathing system to safely use hardener additives and are considering unhardened enamels only. If that's not true, then your options are greatly increased, essentially limited only by how much you want to spend.

Rod

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