Re: 1855 what to do

Posted by e on November 28, 2012 at 08:43:18 from (192.43.65.245):

In Reply to: 1855 what to do posted by BigJohn23 on November 27, 2012 at 16:17:46:

If you are looking at adding value to a tractor, a conversion will add some, but not as much as you would think. Unless absolutely exceptional or if it’s an FWA tractor, they tend to max out at around $10k. Not to say you may not get lucky and find the right guy at the right time. The rule of thumb I use is a conversion adds about $3k to the value of the tractor. Again, that’s a rule of thumb and not for every case.

Talking to guys, what I’ve found hurts the value of a converted tractor is parts. If something breaks, then what do you do? You can’t look up “1855 with Cummins” on AGCO’s website to find a clutch, turbo, injection pump, etc. The configuration of most engines is altered from the way it left Cummins. Cummins parts network works strictly on CPL and serial numbers. If the parts on the engine you have are not original, most Cummins distributors fall apart if the engine has been altered. So, it becomes a seek and destroy mission to find the right people to get you the right parts. And most conversions done by guys end up being snowflakes. This means the person on the other end of the phone has to be well versed on conversions to help out. All of this adds up to a bad deal when you are broke down and need to get up and going.

Genereally, conversions work out well if:

1. You plan on keeping the tractor and using the snot out of it and you want to have a converted tractor just to want it.
2. You already have the tractor and know it’s history.
3. You have a tractor and know of or have an cheap available engine.

For costs, here is what I sell parts for:

Cummins Conversion Flywheel $539.40
New Cummins Flywheel Housing $300.00
Pressure Plate $260.36
6 Button Clutch $175.38
8 Button Clutch $194.65
Pilot Bearing $13.88
Release Bearing $30.63
PTO Drive Hub (Large Frame) $135.59
Starter $161.58
Mount Kit $100

You will then need a bell housing from an 1850, etc to mate the flywheel housing to the over/under. These run about $300. So, figure about $2100 for parts to get the engine sitting in the frame. Factor in shipping and other misc things and you are at about $2500.

Now, you’ll need a tach drive and hoses (~$250). Depending on what you find for an engine, you might need to reconfigure some stuff. The worst option is a pickup engine, but if you start with one of those, you’ll need a fan hub ($100), used manifold and turbo lines (~$300), alternator mounts ($50), and an injection pump with the correct governor and fueling settings ($700). Add this up and there is another $1400 to get the engine right. That’s on top of the cost of an engine which you might as well figure about $1500.

Then there will be a bunch of little this and that’s. Remember a Cummins has the exhaust on the opposite side of the engine as the Waukesha. So, you’ll need to either do some funky routing of the exhaust or punch new holes in the hood. Piddling like this adds up. It may sound high, but I’d figure on another $1000 for the unknown.

So, right there, you’re at $6400. If you get the tractor for $1500, that’s $7900 total. Say you can sell it for $9500 all painted up, is a $1600 profit worth it?

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