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Re: best cub to buy & why


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Posted by Tom Arnold on November 06, 2013 at 23:16:17 from (174.91.92.248):

In Reply to: Re: best cub to buy & why posted by cowboy357 on November 06, 2013 at 17:16:42:

Cub Cadet 106 - is a garden tractor

made from 1969 to 1971

has a 10 HP Kohler K engine


Cub Cadet 1250 - is a garden tractor

made from 1974 to 1980

has a Kohler K 12 HP engine

Cub Cadet 1450 - is a garden tractor

made from 1974 to 1980

has a 14 HP Kohler K engine


Ingersoll 222 - is a garden tractor

made from 1969 to 1988

Has a 12 HP Kohler K engine.

The Ingersoll is the ONLY tractor that has hydraulic capabilities
and it likely has hydraulic implement lift. If you see the name
Ingersoll on the hood, then it must be 1985 or newer and
definitely has hydraulic implement lift. The serial number would
reveal a lot of information.

There are two words that I want to caution you about. The first
is the word "restored". That word is unbelievably subjective and
what one person considers as "restoration" can be far different
than what I would consider "restoration". A true restoration
means that the tractor was stripped to the bare frame and then
carefully put back together after going over every part and
repairing or replacing it. All parts must be brought back to their
original condition prior to being bolted back on and if they are
worn beyond redemption, then they must be replaced with new
parts.

Slapping a quick coat of paint on an old tractor by using some
rattle cans is not restoration but some guys think it is.

The second deadly word is "rebuilt" and anytime someone uses
that word to describe an engine, my immediate reaction is to say
"PROVE IT". Show me the invoices for all the parts purchased
along with the invoices from the machine shop that prove the
engine was bored oversize, the crank was turned, the camshaft
was profiled, the valve guides and seats were replaced, the valve
springs were tested and the head and block were machined flat.

Throwing a new set of rings onto an old piston is not rebuilding
the engine but a lot of guys think it is Take for instance the
1450 on sale for $600.00. A reputable machine shop would
charge at least $400.00 or more to do a proper rebuild on the
Kohler K engine, especially if they used genuine Kohler piston,
rings, con rod, bearings, seals, valves, valve guides, valve
springs etc.

As for the 1250 claiming to have less than 600 hours, that too
makes no sense. At the very least, that tractor is 33 years old
and at an average of 50 hours of use per year, it should have
1650 hours on it.

Whether the 222 Ingersoll is worth $1000.00 or not would
depend on its true condition AND if it has optional equipment
such as the rear PTO kit, a sleeve hitch, wheel weight kit, tire
chains or a Flow Control Kit. Without any of those options, then
my reaction is that it is over-priced.

In my opinion, you should be looking for a nice 444 Case that
has a 3 pt hitch and rear PTO kit on it. Engine condition is
everything because that is the most expensive item to
repair/rebuild. A compression test PLUS a Leak Down Test will
reveal how good an engine is. You are far better off paying a bit
more for a tractor with a really good engine in it than going with
a less expensive tractor that has a marginal engine on the verge
of needing a rebuild.

If you want me to look at the photos of the Ingersoll, send me an
e-mail. I will gladly give you my opinion and so will Dave Beiter
who is also a Case/Ingersoll enthusiast well-known to me. Now
is the time to do your research carefully so that you spend your
hard-earned cash wisely. All of the Cubs listed are ones made
when IH ran the show and the quality is there but they are all
manual transmission models.


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