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anderson farms

04-08-2006 18:58:30




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Can I plant alfalfa now? I live in NW MO. I have the ground all worked up. Just wanted to know if I could plant it now? Should I use a cover crop? Thanks for any help. Oh should I broadcast it or I have a grain drill with a grass seed box should I use it?




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billyar

04-12-2006 13:45:58




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
allen you can spray pursiut it is on the label.



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Joe in IN

04-12-2006 10:39:21




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
Planted mine last night, because it was going to rain overnight. Sure did too, all 10 drops I could count on my windshield.

I'm in Northwest Indiana(West Lafayette), planted 3 additional acres yesterday, with a drill, seed tubes off. Thought about running a cultipacker over, but got dark and the 'rain' was coming. Now i guess I have to think if I want to pack it...

Not sure ofyour weather, but our 15 day forecast looks very good. I would hazard a guess and say plant.....

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Scotmac

04-11-2006 13:57:51




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
I've always sowed 1 1/2 bu. oats with alfafla. I've got light and heavy soil. both. The trick is not to get your seed too deep. !/4 minch is about right. I always then harrowed after. Covers any seed left in the wheel track or on top. Makes a nice seedbed and should pop right up!



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MN BOb

04-11-2006 07:51:57




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
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Advice on planting in Northern MN. Picture of field in implements if not here. Everyoone seems to plant oat cover crop but feed beef/dairy cattle. I will be marketing small squares to horse feeders. Soil is heavy to me but medium in soil test. Should I use oats or use drill and roll in alfafa/brohme mix without? appreciate your advixe/thoughts. Bob

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JMS/MN

04-10-2006 11:50:05




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
You have two choices- cover crop or not. With a cover crop, seed it when it is right for the cover crop- if you intend to harvest the cover for grain. However, without a cover crop, it would be better to wait until the ground warms up more. Typical cover crops are wheat, oats, barley- they are all cool season crops and will sprout in cold ground- wheat probably likes the coldest. But watch to see how long it takes the alfalfa to sprout- even take soil temps. Here (hour west of MPLS), we'd be better off waiting for straight seeding until the 2nd, 3rd week of May, after the corn and beans are planted, field cultivate to keep the weeds down- which will sprout in the colder weather- then seed the alfalfa in the warmer soil and get more uniform emergence. A good percentage of the seed you plant in the cold spring will not sprout until later in the year or even the next year. Do a search for research from midwestern land grant universities as well as the Forage and Grassland Council for the results of their test plots, as well as research from major seed companies like Pioneer, DeKalb, Dairyland Seed, etc.

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cHRISlsd

04-09-2006 21:20:46




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
i PLANTED MINE ON THE FOUTRTH OF APRIL HERE IN SOUTHEAST SOUTH DAKOTRA



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Allan In NE

04-10-2006 03:32:23




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to cHRISlsd, 04-09-2006 21:20:46  
I agree,

The earlier ya can get it in, the better.

Last year, just to test the theory, I planted 35 acres without a cover crop and used a roller to pack it in.

I'll never do that again; I'm going back to using oats and a harrow. This heavy soil is just a bugger! :>(

Allan



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Iowa Jim

04-10-2006 19:27:55




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-10-2006 03:32:23  
I have a different experience than Allen, I will NOT use a cover crop again. I no-tilled 20 acres of alfalfa two years ago into soybean stubble and packed it. I did not have to worry about the cover crop being harvested or reducing the quality of the alfalfa I was harvesting. I had two good crops from the alfalfa rather than an oat crop and one marginal alfalfa cutting. Not enough demand for oat straw to jsutify baling it around here right now.

Jim

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Allan In NE

04-11-2006 04:21:36




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Iowa Jim, 04-10-2006 19:27:55  
I dunno Jim,

Maybe I just had a bad experience or we just have bad ground.

I drilled 35 acres after discing the field twice at two different angles. Then, ran a packer over the biggest part of it.

On the packed ground, the stuff took what seemed like forever to come up and the weeds got ahead of it. Where I didn't run the packer, that alfalfa just boiled up out of the ground and is fairly clean.

We've got real heavy black dirt here and I suspect that has something to do with it.

I've still got 40 acres to go and this time I'm gonna plow 'er down, pack it and then drill with oats. 'Course, I can always use the oats/straw too.

Allan

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JMS/MN

04-11-2006 07:56:45




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2006 04:21:36  
Allen, ever use a field cultivator instead of a disc, for working the ground after plowing? Discs tend to pack the soil, (Picture the bottom of each angled disc blade pushing down on the ground, like a plow creating plow sole), while field cultivator teeth have a small bottom but stir a lot of dirt. I think you're right about the packing, but with a disc and packer, each post plowing operation is doing the packing. On light soil that would not be an issue. But if your heavy ground is moist and packed, emergence is an issue, cover crop or not. I've watched the 'big' neighbors here-(heavy soil)- they dig one day and plant the next, rather than plant behind the FC. One drying day mellows the seedbed. Latest fad here is....40 foot pipe packers!

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Allan In NE

04-11-2006 09:55:42




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to JMS/MN, 04-11-2006 07:56:45  
This is the part where I pretty much do it completely different than most of you guys.

This 40 acres was in wheat last year and is fairly good "lighter" soil.

I wait until it plows just right (read: not too wet), plow it, wait that day to take the moisture edge off it and then hit it with the packer. Makes a perfect seedbed.

No disc at all on this stuff. Plow, pack, plant.

Allan



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hayray

04-11-2006 05:07:45




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2006 04:21:36  
I plant clearseeding in the spring and end up with two high quality cuttings the seeding year - no cover crop. Whenever I use cover crop I get one cutting with straw and weeds and another with some alfalfa and weeds.

Although, just like you Allen, I have had plenty of times were parts of fields did not come up but always had environmental factors that determined that, I don't think it was related to wheather or not I used a cover crop.

By the way, Poast Plus works good on grass!

Ray

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Allan In NE

04-11-2006 06:49:43




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to hayray, 04-11-2006 05:07:45  
Run this by me, 'cause I'm just not big on chemicals, but really need to be brought up to speed.

What would you spray an alfalfa field to get rid of everything and not hurt that alfalfa? Sunflowers, broadleafs, grasses, etc.?

Thanks,

Allan



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hayray

04-13-2006 03:53:36




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2006 06:49:43  
Allen,

Pursuit or Raptor are labled to spray on legumes for broadleaf and grass control. You can add Poast Plus with the Raptor or pursuit if you have a broadleaf problem. If you just have grass you can use Poast for them, as Poast works much better on all grasses and is cheaper, Raptor would be put on after a new seeding, poast is used to maintain the stand year after year, it would be cheaper for you then doing your Nebraskra alfalfa harrowing which I guess could add new life to your alfalfa but does not mean it will get rid of your grass.

Ray

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Larry NE IL

04-12-2006 20:13:47




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2006 06:49:43  
Allen,
I planted oats with my alfalfa also. Had a bunch of oats come up the next year too, so I just baled them up with the 1st cutting.The horses loved it. Some of the oats had headed out and they ate it all up, stems and all.
As for what to spray....I don't know of anything for broadleafs in alfalfa.



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hayray

04-09-2006 05:12:29




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 Re: alfalfa planting in reply to anderson farms, 04-08-2006 18:58:30  
You can plant alfalfa as soon as you can get in and plant it in the spring. It is better to use a drill rather than broad cast because it usually is a more accurate way of seed placement and metering the amount of seed. You do not need a cover crop unless you have some highly erodable areas or unless you desire a higher amount of overall tonnage of lower quality forage the first year, but the cover crop will definitely stunt your first years alfalfa growth and is not necessary at all.

good luck, Ray

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