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Animal

02-21-2006 18:47:26




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Could some of you guys with your vast knowledge explain to me how this is supposed to work and then tell me how it really works?




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ricedaddy

02-22-2006 18:53:59




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Animal, 02-21-2006 18:47:26  
Federal crop insurance is good in two cases
1. you have a total loss
2. your a total crook
I say this because many years ago I was a ajuster for FCI and have seen every trick in the book,but on the other side in 1992 I had 3000 acres up to a stand, and would have went broke without the replanting plan. the biggest loss to the goverment is in neighbors grain bins, I promise



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kyhayman

02-22-2006 15:50:18




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Animal, 02-21-2006 18:47:26  
Generically speaking (crop specific differences). Speaking to 'program crops' (with coverage offered for the crop in your county, for example there is sugar beet insurance, and a sugar beet program, but not in my county (or state)). You buy your coverage for a certain yield and certain price level. If either is short, then you get a check. If not, you dont. Its really income insurance not crop insurance. There are programs for non program crops but you have to establish a yield and price level.

For example... I had burley tobacco crop ins. in 2003. Insured 60% of my proven farm yield at 100% of the support price. Cost about $175 for 5000 pounds of tobacco target yield with a $1.80 a pound support price. Rain at transplanting, disease, weeds, and drought hammered my yield, only got 300# off my 2 acres. Coverage was about $5400. I got $580 for the crop and a $4900 check from federal crop ins. Government subsidises the insurance as it is cheaper than 'bail out' programs for disasters and is better for the individual in cases like mine where if you hadnt transplanted the day I did you wouldnt have gotten hit as hard.

For non program crops its tougher. I would like to buy federal crop for hay. Its my primary business now. My yields are so far above the county average I could never collect. County average for alfalfa is 3.2 tons per acre and my yields are normally 7. Even in a 100 year drought this year they were over 3 tpa. Have to be below 1.8 tpi to collect. Timothy is worse as I'd have to go with a 1.8 tpa yield on grass hay. Even if I proved my own yields (which I can) this would be the only year I would have collected anything out of the last 12.

There are some pilot programs for livestock. I'm watching these closely, seem like a good fit for my business.

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IaGary

02-21-2006 20:23:25




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Animal, 02-21-2006 18:47:26  
What crop are you wanting to know about? Corn? beans? Wheat?



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Animal

02-22-2006 15:56:10




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to IaGary, 02-21-2006 20:23:25  
Here is the deal. I am an organic grower in the Kansas City, Mo. area. I have never had crop insurance before. I guess I have been lucky ever since I started this farming adventure I have raised average or better yeilding crops. However this year is so dry and the inputs,fuel seed, etc. is so high dollar I thought I would check into crop insurance. I have had a tough time finding anyone to insure organic. I came across and outfit yesterday that would insure my beans for next year, but they want all of my certification paperwork, a crop history and receipts from my buyers. Well this is no problem however they also want 15% over conventional insurance price, this is all well and good, but if I should file a claim all I get is current conventional market value. All they want my certificate for, it must be a liecense to steal! If I were to get 15% over market value I could see it, but the way I look at it is that I must be 15% behind conventional producers in crop productions and this is pure nonsense!

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Seth_ia

02-22-2006 19:37:14




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Animal, 02-22-2006 15:56:10  
I have no idea about organic, but if what you say is true, look at catastrophic coverage(50%).



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Seth_ia

02-22-2006 20:02:00




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Seth_ia, 02-22-2006 19:37:14  
Wrong link, this ones better.



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IaGary

02-22-2006 16:33:31




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 Re: Crop Insurance. in reply to Animal, 02-22-2006 15:56:10  
Here in Iowa organic farmers pay more also.

Reason- Organic farmers are a bigger risk because more things can go wrong. Not only weather but weed problems,insects and other such things.
There is less chance to rescue a crop than conventional crops.
Thats the reason they give up here.



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