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aFORDable

11-30-2005 17:52:09




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Is it best to rip (sub-soil) ground in the fall or spring or does it make any difference when? I will be plowing the field in the spring but want to break up the hard pan first. It will be planted in May.




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ricedaddy

12-04-2005 12:50:49




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 11-30-2005 17:52:09  
Keep in mind when subsoiling, a parabolic subsoiler is easier to pull which means less fuel
all your wanting to do is shatter the hard pan so it must be done when the ground is dry



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aFORDable

12-01-2005 18:18:56




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 11-30-2005 17:52:09  
I realize in different parts of the country ripping and plowing and chisel plowing can mean different things. By ripping I mean running a shank about 14 - 18 inches deep to break up the hardpan. That will do nothing for the crop residue (corn stalks) left on the surface. We will plow or turn the soil over in the spring and then disk to prepare a lose, clean soil for tobacco planting. Thank you for your replies and it looks like I'll be running the ripper in the next day or two. Hopefully I can beat the wet season.

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JMS/MN

12-02-2005 09:05:01




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 12-01-2005 18:18:56  
Here's another option that I see occasionally- typical disk/chisel of 12-14 foot width, mount two shanks behind that cut another 8 inches or so deeper. Takes a bit more hp, but used every year, does rip through that hardpan.



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jhill

12-02-2005 06:17:21




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 12-01-2005 18:18:56  
I think he is talking about using a single sank subsoiler to break up hardpan on a small acreage. I have run mibe several ft apart and then plowed. As he said the subsoiler does nothing to bury trash so plowing is still necessary. I have done this with good results.



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Allan in NE

12-02-2005 05:18:55




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 12-01-2005 18:18:56  
I'm tellin' ya,

You've got to make up your mind what you wanna do, 'cause ya can't do both in the same year.

A plow will not "turn" in loose soil; it just makes a huge mess. It merly shoves the dirt over to the side and will not 'cover' anything.

Tryin' to help,

Allan



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Roy in UK

12-02-2005 09:47:35




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to Allan in NE, 12-02-2005 05:18:55  
Allan,
Many a time I have used a chisel plow or big disk to incorporate crop residues,let it dry, then roll it down (to give the moldboard plow something to "bite" against) then plow it.



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barnrat

12-02-2005 04:52:22




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 12-01-2005 18:18:56  
Around here we rip in the fall about 30-36 inches deep takes about 80 hp per shank. Then finnish in the spring with a field cultivator. When I first had it done on my farm a four shank ripper brought a 300hp tractor to it's knees. I guess I had a little hard pan. Some people also refer to it as vertical tillage.



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paul

12-01-2005 20:30:26




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 12-01-2005 18:18:56  
Don't know anything about tobacco, that must be the difference. A ripper or chisel plow makes a great surface for any crops I plant, corn, beans, oats. :) Just run the field cultivator (or disk) in spring, and good to plant.

--->Paul



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paul

12-01-2005 08:54:05




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 11-30-2005 17:52:09  
Fall. Always fall for ripping. Ripping shatterssss drier ground, you don't get that in spring. In spring the ground smears & might actually seal up worse with a ripper, creating a deeper hardpan.

No reason to ever do both ripping & plowing for the same year????? Never heard of that, maybe I don't understand your ripping operation, but there would be no point to doing both in the same crop year.

--->Paul

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Burnie

12-03-2005 03:17:18




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to paul, 12-01-2005 08:54:05  
Have to agree with Paul that Fall is best time. In any type of clay soil, passing steel through it when wet will cause compaction. I like to deep rip when the soil is driest. That usually means after the summer crop and before the spring rains. I usually try to get ripping finished by mid June. Down here, we don't have to contend with snow and can work all through winter. I don't know anything about plowing, (nobody does it here any more as it is too hard on our soil types) but I would imagine that useing two different types of primary tillage would not be a good plan. Have you considered buying/hireing a rotory hoe and running that over your ground in spring? If the ground is not too wet, it would incorporate your corn stubble and give you a nice seedbed. Hope the ripping is going OK.

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jhill

12-01-2005 08:18:57




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 11-30-2005 17:52:09  
I think subsoiling in the fall is best. You usually subsoil to break up hardpan and get better drainage. If you do it in the fall you see the benefits next spring with a field that drys out earlier.



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nw_bearcat

12-01-2005 05:12:06




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to aFORDable, 11-30-2005 17:52:09  
I don't guess I've ever heard of someone wanting to do both...depending on the type of ripper you are using, they will leave the surface pretty black by themselves. I'd think you have a little trouble doing much of a job with a plow across ripped ground. Most guys I see will run a ripper across the field, then disk of field cultivate in the spring to smooth it back down to plant. Ripping and plowing will burn alot of expensive fuel for you.

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Ol Chief

12-06-2005 03:26:38




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 Re: Ripping Ground in reply to nw_bearcat, 12-01-2005 05:12:06  
My experience w/chisel plows has been great.Had two of them in 1965 or66.One 36 inch and other 24 inch shanks.Partner and I chiseled 208 acres in the fall.In spring we planted with a brand new Case newly developed chisel minimum till planter.On the same days our neighbor planted about 100 acres by conventional method.( plow,disc cultipack and plant)We only had one light rain.followed by 15 dry weeks.Our corn was about two feet high when neighbors was eight inchs and made tiny ears and then dried up.My vacation was over so I went back to sea on my regular job.in September rain started,almost w/out letup.I kept calling my partner about harvest cause I had bankrolled this crop.At each call he informed me of the rain and said no possibility now until the ground froze. It finally froze and by then we had some corn down.I have no idea how much was lost ,but on January 8th it was combined and made 120 bu.to the acre.No one in our area of Western Maryland made a crop that came close.We think that by going thru the hardpan the previous fall we were able to store lots of winter rain and had also opened up the soil far deeper than ever before,elimited the hardpan and allowed easy root penetration to get to stored moisture.I then parked my new six bottom plow and stayed with chisels.

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