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Bob C.

07-08-2003 20:21:27




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Hi to all

Live in East TN and just visited the farmers Co-op and it was recommended to me to try some burmuda grass on a 2 acre lot I have for hay production. They made it sound pretty good but thought I might get some feed back from you folks. I have horses ansd I was told it was great for them to graze on also. In peak time of harvest which is June July August I was told that you have to mow the hay every 20-30 days and can even permit grazing in between cuttings. Is this too good to be true? One other thing about mowing the grass -- I only have a sickle mower so is Burmuda grass tender enough to cut with a sickle mower?

Bob C.

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OLD HENRY, TN.

07-10-2003 19:28:12




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 Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-08-2003 20:21:27  
A COUPLE OF THINGS I'VE LEARNED ABOUT MAKING HAY IN EAST TN. 1ST IF IT WET ENOUGH TO HAVE HAY TO CUT EVERY 20 DAYS, IT'LL NEVER BE DRY ENOUGH TO GET IT IN. (LIKE THIS YEAR). 2CD, IF ITS DRY ENOUGH TO MAKE HAY, ITS PROBABLY BEEN SO DRY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. LOL. GOOD LUCK! ALSO, MY HORSES WON'T EAT HAY MADE IN A FIELD USED FOR PASTURE. PICKY HORSES! THAT MIGHT BE OK FOR CATTLE.



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John A

07-09-2003 20:29:43




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 Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-08-2003 20:21:27  
Bob C. Here in central Texas, Coastal Burmuda hay is the hay of choice year round. Alfalfa is too hot a feed for the dead of summer. Coastal can be fed to horses,cattle, sheep and goats. It's a very marketable product,here it commands an ave of $5.00/bale on a regular basis.
It is easy to grow, maintain, harvest. It is planted with ""spriggs" no seed. A 2 row sprigger is used most of the time. A lot of guys are planting the field the first time then comming back to plant the middles, for it shorten the time it takes for a field to cover over. I have seen some guys plant in early spring, cut a fair hay crop that fall for the first time.
I wouldn't recommend grazing inbetween cuttings, at least not here in Texas for our summer moisture isn't sufficent enough for the coastal to grow like that,Tif-85 or not. I have seen some guys exceed $100/acre on Tif-85. But it does preform when growing condition and fertilization are correct as Hay said in his previous post. Also every 25 to 30 days you will cut coastal!
Please check with your county agent to see what varities are right for your area. Also visit with other farmers in your area to find out about their likes/dislikes,experiences,growing tips.
A sicle mower is sufficient to lay down Coastal.
Hope this helps!
Good Luck,
John A

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Bob C.

07-10-2003 15:18:23




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 Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to John A, 07-09-2003 20:29:43  
Thanks Guys

All I've heard is good about Burmuda grass and as I stated it's almost too good to be true. What I have is about 5 acres in poor shape at this time and need to begin to reclaim my pasture and hay lots. A trip to the county agent is a great idea as to how to prepare my land and the best way to go about seeding this grass. Never heard about setting out sprigs. Seems someone mentioned a type of Bermuda grass called Cheyenne but maybe they were talking about another grass. I 've heard so much in the past week I've gotten confused. Can other grasses or legumes be mixed with Bermuda grass. Thanks for the suggestions and comments.

Bob C.

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lloyd powell

08-05-2003 18:29:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-10-2003 15:18:23  
Bob C I just planted 10 acres with Tifton 85 great stuff you should get about 100 to 125 bales per acre if you manage it good and cut every 21 or so days. I sprigged mine on april 20 and let the crab grass get the best of me so I sprayed msma at 2 quarts per acre to kill everything cept the bermuda as I was mowing with a super M farmal with a 7 ft schreder it killed my tractor several times it was so thick. it was also knee high I could have bailed it but I want it weed free and I want the bermuda to give me a good cover the first year. I have runners 4 plus feet long. Look up tifton 85 and tifton 44 on your search . good luck...

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Dave

07-13-2003 20:37:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-10-2003 15:18:23  
Cheyenne is an improved variety of common Bermuda, which means it can be seeded rather than sprigged. If I'm not mistaken Pennington is who you get it from.



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John A

07-10-2003 20:34:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-10-2003 15:18:23  
Bob C. I don't know of any coastal varities that are seeded. To my knowledge all coastals are sprigged. Common garden varitiy burmuda can be grown from seed , but it won't produce what coastal will. I it just doesn't have the runner length,and hybrid vigor as Coastal.
Land prep... chisel,disk as usual as if you were putting in corn or milo. Clean plow this area. I personally havent heard of Cheyenne. But here in central Texas there is regular ol coastal and Tif-85. Not wanting to cause a all out fight here on coastal varities I will say..... Tif-85 is good,but where it preforms best is under irrigation. in the more droughty areas with like fertilization there is little difference. This IMO doesn't justify the nearly twice the cost over regular coastal. Here reg-coastal will run close to 50/acre and Tif will scare the thunder out of a 100 dollar bill/acre.
Interseeding.... Wheat,oats can be sown in the fall with a pasture dream or like drill. Here other grasses will grow with the coastal so if it is a undesireable grass then Roundup it or whatever suits you. Hope this helps.
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John A.

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hay

07-09-2003 07:32:55




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 Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Bob C., 07-08-2003 20:21:27  
bermuda grass comes in many different varieties, but yes it is good horse forage. a lot of "old timer" horse ranchers also use it to supplement prairie grasses. i raise TIFTON 85 bermuda and it is the fastest growing and most production bermuda i have ever seen. grows several inches per day under the right conditions. can cut it for hay about every 25-30 days at the height of the growing season. of course that means proper fertilization and rain and/or irrigation. some other bermudas include JIGGS, CALLIE GIANT, COASTAL and the list goes on and on. contact your local county ag agent for more specific grasses for your area. sickle mower does good for cutting bermuda grass.

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Tom

07-10-2003 18:39:53




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 Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to hay, 07-09-2003 07:32:55  
Hay where do you live? I am in Carthage,Tx. We planted a lot of Tifton 85 this yearand it is growing good. Give me any advice you can on planting and growing it. What kind of spray can we use to control weeds especially crab grass and johnson grass and of cource common bermuda. We do roundup the field before planting and use a 5 row planter. Been planting coastal for years but Tifton 85 is new to us. Glad to find someone who knows about it and any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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Lyndall

07-31-2003 04:56:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Tom, 07-10-2003 18:39:53  
I used a new chemical called Plateau on Johnson grass this year. If your johnson grass is too thick to fight with a rope wick, you might want to consider this. Be advised though it will burn the coastal back for about 20 days, but the results were great. I had almost solid johnson grass in my coastal. We applied Plateau @12oz per acre along with 200 lbs liquid nitrogen fertilizer 32-0-0 and then began watering. I just cut it a week ago and the coastal is starting to grow again, but I havent found any johnson grass yet.

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Dwain

07-13-2003 13:50:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Tom, 07-10-2003 18:39:53  
One way of controlling johnsongrass is to mount a wick bar full of round up on the front of your tractor and apply the round up to the johnson grass that is higher than the coastal. Just in case you don't know, a wick bar is a long piece of PVC pipe that has holes drilled in the bottom where ropes go into them. Roundup or any other chemical is put into the PVC pipe and the rope wicks sticking out will absorb the chemical and as you pass over the coastal, those wicks that are saturated in your chemical you used will rub off on your johnson grass and won't hurt your coastal. You want to do this before your first cutting so the second cutting will be cleaner.

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hay

07-11-2003 03:37:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Burmuda Grass in reply to Tom, 07-10-2003 18:39:53  
tom, i am NW of houston, tx and the main problem i have here is adequate rainfall. sometimes dry for months and then a flood, not consistent, but tifton 85 in my small "nursery field" grows like crazy when we get enough moisture. getting ready to sprig out my other bigger hayfield later in the summer. i have heard the ALLY herbicide is used extensively for keeping the weeds and bahia grass out, but i have not used it yet. i recommend you ask the county extension about what to use in your area to control unwanted grasses and weeds. what works here might not work effectively there.

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