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a-c 5040

11-29-2004 19:56:24




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I have a 20 acre ridge field of fescue that my cattle don"t use because it is a mile to water. I have overgrazed it by hauling water and want to overseed oats maybe to increase production for haying. I don"t want to disc just broadcast and let it take off on it"s own. I can keep cattle on it to tramp the seed in. Any suggestions on what to plant? Will this work? Thanks!




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jhill

12-01-2004 06:10:19




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c 5040, 11-29-2004 19:56:24  
Here in Michigan they do something called frost seeding with clover. Basically you broadcast clover in March and let the frost work it into the ground. My neighbor tried it and it worked great for him. Might work where you are.



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a-c5040

11-30-2004 18:44:36




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c 5040, 11-29-2004 19:56:24  
Im in missouri I was planning on planting in feb-march. I could disk but I did"nt want to take the time with a 6" disk. I noticed the oats the cattle slop from their troughs are growing great.



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paul

12-01-2004 12:24:35




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c5040, 11-30-2004 18:44:36  
What you prepose will work. The question is, how well?

If you want good hay, will the cattle over-compact the soil? Will they make it rutted & rough & hard to drive on? Will they get a good % of crop to emerge?

These would be real questions in my area. Your soil/ climate might be different.

I need to recondition 1/3 of my pasture this spring - small area. Trying to decide how to do it myself. With care, the grasses there will bring themselves back strong. I need to add fert & legume seed, and I'm thinking over the many ways to do that myself. And there are many ways.

The trick is to guess what the weather will be April through august, & pick the method that works best with that particular weather! :)

Pature is easy, but you want hay ground. That is a higher- quality operation, and around here requires more care to get a good stand that can handle wheel traffic & 2-4 cutting a year. Do it wrong & you lose a valuble resource.

Seed plots and rough pasture a person can try any old way & see what happens, try again next year and see if that works better, etc.

Not sure where you fall in on that. :)

I've 'saved' a weak alfalfa field for an extra year by planting oats into it with the seed drill at the normal oats planting time - first cutting of alfalfa is strong, second cutting the alfalfa is weak but the oats makes ok feed & good volume, and third cutting will depend on when the oats got cut - if early enough & some rain it will regrow a second time.

So, your plan can work. Depends on the effort, value, & end result you want/ need. If this hay ground is important, I would put more effort into making a good seedbed & good permanent hay-type crop. If it is waste land & you are playing with it & will take bonus hay if you get it, won't care if you don't, then give it a try & see what happens.

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JMS/MN

11-30-2004 21:58:37




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c5040, 11-30-2004 18:44:36  
Seeds need a seedbed. If you don't make one by plowing, discing, or a field cultivator, you need to broadcast more seed because only a certain percentage will grow with each system. Remember the Biblical reference. And farmers don't stomp seed into the ground. We work the soil to make it conducive to growing a good crop.



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a-c 5040

12-01-2004 21:38:23




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to JMS/MN, 11-30-2004 21:58:37  
We only get one cutting in our area with fescue. I have enough hay ground I just noticed how well the oats were growing on their own and thought I could make better use of this field. Since the cows won't make the trip to eat it I thought I should make the most of it by increasing the tons per acre. It takes the same ammount of time to bale 50 small squares an acre as it does to bale 100 small squares. But I figure 8-10 hrs to make a single pass with a 6' disc on 20 acres. Thank you to everyone for their input!ANOTHER question to everyone... Does anyone have an opinion on soil areators? Are they worth the money? I don't feel compaction is a problem on my place, wheel ruts are more the norm. BUt for $1500 I could have an 8' areator I guess I could run as fast as I cared. Looks very sturdy.

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paul

11-30-2004 17:50:47




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c 5040, 11-29-2004 19:56:24  
Would work better if you could get a 3pt disk or set of harrows in there, but trampling will do somewhat.

You didn't give a location, so going to be hard to say much else. Would be kinda cold around these parts, oats does not survive much hard freezing, tho it doesn't mind a little snow.

My problem would be have to redo it each year, would rather put in something more permanent myself....

--->Paul

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Ol Chief

11-29-2004 21:41:49




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 Re: overseeding oats? in reply to a-c 5040, 11-29-2004 19:56:24  
I dont know where you farm so maybe my experience will not work out for you or your area.I am in Texas Hill Country.Thats 70 miles west of Austin.I just broadcast three different varieties of RYE in test plots of one third acre each.This done on Nov.23 rd.I must admit I scratched it in and we"ve had good moisture.Checked the plots every day except today.On morning of Nov.27 the plot seeded to Albon rye was alive with a dark green cover of two inch growth of rye seedlings.The adjacent plots showed nothing as of Nov.28.I had also planted oats two weeks ago but did not cover. Maybe 5 % have sprouted.The rest are still lying there dorment.You may have success mith tramping in.Have doneso in the past.

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