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Al Fitch

10-07-2004 14:53:07




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I have a small area among a small woodlot (which I am going to use to grow firewood and lumber for milling) that I want to make a garden in.

Right now the garden area is somewhat cleared of the bigger trees and has several small bush trees like dogwood left for me to pull. The ground is full of running vines and pricker type weeds.

What is the best way to pull a stump that is about 6-8 inch diameter and sits only 5 inches above ground? Next time should I cut higher off the ground?

To "farm" this garden I have a 1944 Farmall A with a McCormick Deering A-91 Plow attached.

Yesterday I tooled around a bit with the plow which made various piles of the vines/bark and dirt.

What I figured out is that I need a longer cleared distance to operate the plow so I have to do some more clearing of trees and bark.

What else should I be doing to get ready for spring planting?

I have locust logs ready to be made into fence posts which will form the garden fence.
The reason I posted this question is that I read another guys experience plowing his 1 acre field (mine is way less then an acre) and the mistakes he made were helped by asking here.

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Al Fitch

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Belleville Neil

10-21-2004 11:24:54




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 Re: Clearing small area for garden How to in reply to Al Fitch, 10-07-2004 14:53:07  
I have pushed and pulled 6 inch trees over with my FEL. I raise the loader and snug up to the tree. Push on slowly and over the trees go - the weight of the tree pops half the roots out of the ground. This technique works on poplars in reasonably soft ground. I then put a logging chain around the remaning roots and hook to the front of the tractor then ease back. I'm using a IH Super W6 so I am far from the tree when pushing. I wouldn't try this with a back blade. Some trees will snap and create problems if you are up close. Good luck. Neil

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Leland

10-08-2004 21:57:05




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 Re: Clearing small area for garden How to in reply to Al Fitch, 10-07-2004 14:53:07  
Al hire somebody with a D-5or6 cat that has a root rake, he can get stumps out safely and the root rake will go 8 inches deep and bring up all left over roots this is the safest way to obtain your goal. then when he's done then you can disk heavy then plow .



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geo in MI

10-08-2004 12:51:54




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 Re: Clearing small area for garden How to in reply to Al Fitch, 10-07-2004 14:53:07  
A tree trunk 6--8 inches in diameter will have an underground system of tough roots 6--8 feet in diameter. Trying to pull out a stump that size could easily overturn your tractor(with you underneath it) I would not recommend it. Instead, I would pile up the brush and vines around the stumps and try to burn them out. There still may be so many underground roots and vines that making a seedbed will be impossible for a few years until you get them all out.

A second thought: if this plot is in the middle of a woodlot already, then how good will the sun shine into it? You need full sunlight for nearly all day for most garden plants to grow.

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Al Fitch

10-08-2004 18:33:51




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 Re: Clearing small area for garden How to in reply to geo in MI, 10-08-2004 12:51:54  
Regarding sun into my new garden: I cleared the area specifically to garden. This area sits on top of the hill behind my house. Right now there is a small hillside covered with young locust saplings about 15 feet tall.

Next week I have a forester coming in to give me a management plan which might inlcude clearing those locust trees for whatever reason.

I think I have pretty much received the message that stumping with this tractor (or most others I suppose) is not a smart idea. I wouldn't have thought of that if it were not for this forum.

I guess I'm looking at bringing in some top soil or moving it from some other part of my property to be able to get a seedbed next spring. This I CAN do with my Farmall A and my wagon! :)

Al

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paul

10-08-2004 21:29:06




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 Re: Clearing small area for garden How to in reply to Al Fitch, 10-08-2004 18:33:51  
Stumps over 3 inches are a real problem. Small stumps can be popped with a chain & a combine or tractor wheel rim - you chain on the stump, roll the rim next to it, put the chain over the rim, & pull the chain. the root pulls _up_ and your tractor is pretty safe pulling straight. But 6 inches is too big..... Some types of trees have shallow roots, others have deep tap root. Deep taps are more difficult, but pop out better with the vertial pull over the rim....

For the roots & trash, it's pretty hard on your tires too. A neighbor cleared out 20 acres, and got an old JD tractor & 2 or 3 bottom plow, & had steel wheels for the tractor - used that to work it up for a year. Until the stuff died & chopped up a bit & the big chunks could get cleared out. Now adays I'd use a cheap chisel plow that wouldn't bother me to bend if it stck on something...

If burning is allowed, you can use a barrel filled with tree trash over each stump & burn the stump out. Probably not too big a job for a 1/2 acre.

I too was wondering about the shade on your garden patch, hope that works out for you.

--->Paul

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Al Fitch

10-09-2004 07:12:31




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 Using Rim to pull stump? in reply to paul, 10-08-2004 21:29:06  
I'm not clear on this technique but it sounds like I roll the tractor up to the stump and run the chain through the rim which gives me direct power of the wheel rolling and pulling upward?



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paul

10-09-2004 09:14:41




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 Re: Using Rim to pull stump? in reply to Al Fitch, 10-09-2004 07:12:31  
Got a big old rim of some type laying in the grove? Roll that up to the stump. Run your chain from the stump up over the rim. Then to the tractor. Makes the chain pull up instead of sideways. Trees are braced pretty well for sideways because of all the wind they endure.

Works better with some types of trees (root systems), not so good with others...

--->Paul



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Al Fitch

10-09-2004 16:13:21




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 Re: Using Rim to pull stump? in reply to paul, 10-09-2004 09:14:41  
I see it very clearly now!

Thanks.



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paul

10-09-2004 21:40:20




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 Re: Using Rim to pull stump? in reply to Al Fitch, 10-09-2004 16:13:21  
Yea - a picture is worth a 1000 words - I can't draw, & my words ain't too good either! :) Glad I got there somehow anyhow. :)

--->Paul



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