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Andy in VA

08-26-2007 19:18:16




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I live on 16 wooded acres in central Virginia and am thinking about getting a tractor to help me maintain the property. The main thing I need is something to help me scrape and maintain my gravel driveway, which is partially on a hill. I am limited on funds (need to stay under $5000), and am wondering if a Ford 8N would be sufficient. I've done some searching on the internet and am surprised by the amount of support still available for them. Would also be interested in hearing your ideas about the kinds of other things I might be able to do with one. I know that something with a front end loader would be best, but am not able to swing the cost.

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ed19

09-13-2007 13:06:47




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
Lets not forget the older cases. The 900's go for around 3,000 with a loader around here and in nice enough shape to take years more of abuse.



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ed19

09-13-2007 13:06:43




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
Lets not forget the older cases. The 900's go for around 3,000 with a loader around here and in nice enough shape to take years more of abuse.



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TomA

09-09-2007 17:43:16




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
I have pretty good luck visualizing tractors. I just picture in my mind what I wannt and sit back and wait and one comes my way.

I am mostly a Cat guy, I have visualized in quite a few old Cats. Recently I asked for suggestions on a 3pt hitch tractor for grading and was recommended a IHC 350 Utility. I was told to expect to pay $3500 for one in ready to work condition. In less than 2 weeks one came my way. Loader bucket. Engine runs good, hydraulics work, one rear wheel locked up $600. Just my style, I would rather work on one than part with that much $ money.

Tom

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jason, NW Ontario

08-30-2007 20:35:30




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
If you're only going to have one tractor, you're going to spend every last penny of that $5k. Look for something at least 45hp, can be serviced nearby, front end loader, live pto, 3 point hitch, hydraulics, loaded tires and chains, 7' back blade. 8N is good old school hp, but maybe not engineered for the abuse you'll be putting it through, now that the 8N has seen 50 years of abuse. That's the only things that come to mind. Keep asking these good people on this forum - there's a whole lot of knowledge here from tractor veterans. Jay

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evielboweviel

08-30-2007 08:28:17




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
Massey 35 deluxe,135,235,150,250
Ford 3000,4000 late models 3cyl 8spd
Oliver S55, 550
Ford 8n is too old, dosn't have live pto, hydraulics, front axle is too light,etc good in its day.
good luck
Ron



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Leland

08-28-2007 17:00:56




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
for 5 grand out here I could get you a nice IH 706 about 75hp live pto power brakes and steering and plenty of tractor for anything you will need I used one for years and it handled everything I wanted it to and with this tractor you are sitting twice as high as an 8N so you can see holes and other hazards better .



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soundguy

08-28-2007 08:43:06




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
While an 8n might be nice.. My suggestion is a ford 660/661 or 860/861.. preferably with power steering.. though not mandatory.. and with a loader.

the 6xx will be 33hp or so.. and the 8xx will be high 40's hp or so.

the *6* models have live pto.. and all of them have live hyds. The units have a short wheelbase and hug the ground... easy to get parts for and work on.

An early 63-64 2000/4000 4 cyl is in the same boat as the 6xx/8xx as they are virtually the same machine.

These are tough machines.. i move round bales of hay with a loader on a 660 and an 850.

Soundguy

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havvey

08-27-2007 17:40:13




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
andy hook up with some friends or farmers and try a few out see what you like. A 3 point hitch is a must as most implements take it. I would be more concerned that i didn't get jewed on mechanical condition (assumming you know little about tractors) again take a freind or mechenic with you.



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Jim in NC

08-27-2007 04:32:53




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
Where in VA are you, Andy? If in hilly or mountain area and you will be working on steep slopes, you need something that is stable, has good brakes, and will hold you back on steep slopes especially if you have a load behind you. I personally would look for a Long for a first tractor. I have used them for almost 30 years. Farmtrac, the new name for Long, headquarters is in Tarboro, NC and dealers are around. There resale is not high and you could buy a pretty good one from 3 to 5000. Diesel, Power Steering, and live PTO.. Just a thought. They have their quirks like other brands, but if you plan to keep it for a long time and are not concerned about resale value, I believe it would be a good choice.

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Andy in VA

08-27-2007 14:13:24




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Jim in NC, 08-27-2007 04:32:53  
Thanks for the advice, Jim. I am located in the Charlottesville area. I have a slope up my driveway, but other than that I will be on fairly level ground. Resale is not a major concern so I will check them out. How are they for service and availability of parts for older models?



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kyhayman

08-28-2007 17:41:51




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-27-2007 14:13:24  
Support for the 5000 is perfect. As far as I know as long as it isnt a select o speed they are 100% supported by CNH and have good aftermarket support.



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RickL

08-29-2007 04:13:28




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to kyhayman, 08-28-2007 17:41:51  
are you still wrapping large rounds individually or have you quit that also. I know you said you quit small squares,Still teaching.reason asking looking into the wrap machines since the last cutting is so hard to get to cure out thought I would try wrapping the last cutting .
start cutting tomorrow again. thanks



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RickL

08-30-2007 05:37:29




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to RickL, 08-29-2007 04:13:28  
thats what I thought,unless you have daily remove you will have manure looks like just like silage. If thats all will be able to move there no way you could pay for the wrapper either.Still looks like I be better off hoping to get the extra days in the fall for drying thanks



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kyhayman

08-29-2007 06:46:11




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to RickL, 08-29-2007 04:13:28  
Hi Rick,

Lots of changes around here. I gave up the individually wrapped bales some time ago and went to the inline. Thats the beast that ate me. I wrapped some with it this spring, you know the old saying about if a horse throws you.... Wish I had anything to wrap right now. Super dry here, drier than I ever recall it being in some 40 years. Gone back to doing some small squares. I sold my NH stackliner and then wouldnt you know this years drought would hit. Right now getting $6 off the wagon in the field. I only bale it to order, 50% paid in advance and I stumbled into a labor supply. Certain 'lady associate' of mine has 4 kids and she expects them to earn their money and pay their own bills plus she's been pitching the squares too, says its better to get paid to do that than pay to go to a gym. That made it possible.

As to school stuff, Im out of there. The district made me an offer I couldnt refuse. Superintendent told me he didnt see how I could adequately supervise 31 kids in a shop class with me limping around like I do and that 'he would support my contacting the state retirement board to take early medical retirement'. That was pretty plain to me. They made me a good offer and I took it.

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RickL

08-29-2007 19:43:13




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to kyhayman, 08-29-2007 06:46:11  
so the one you put in the tubes do you sell,thta doesn't look like thjat would work once you open ther bag. did the individual wrapping keep right etc . All my production is sold so Have to be able to move it. Would you do it again. Yes i do small squares mainly but when it gets this time of year it getstough for that last cutting to get dry enough.



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kyhayman

08-29-2007 20:03:49




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to RickL, 08-29-2007 19:43:13  
I've had very good success selling a lot of hay out of the tubes to a small number of customers. As far as longivity. The face bale will dry out when its exposed to air. November thru March here I havent noticed any quality loss or spoilage in even the first bale. By the time the first of April comes around that end bale needs to go about every 3 days or its going to mold.

The way I normally do it is the customer drops off a wagon and I load it, he picks it up and drops off another. If I know he's feeding a bale a day and I put 7 on a wagon I'll load him 1-2 days before pickup (got 3 people who do this). These bales will keep good for a week in cold weather, I wouldnt want to go any longer than two weeks with both surfaces exposed. I could easily move 1400 a year(I have standing orders for that and I cant fill them), more if I knocked the price some but I normally sell wrapped hay at a premium over barn stored dry hay.

Summer is harder, in a week 7 bales with both sides exposed will get funky in about 3 days.

One guy that buys a lot and is close, we wrap his at his place, he signs the ticket and then pays me over the next 10 months equal payments for that tube. He takes all I've got of cuttings 2-5/6 (if I get it) off of 60 acres that joins his place. Then there are a couple of mennonites who buy 1 roll each, once or twice a week of wrapped hay, delivered.

Singles to me took too much room to store, cost way too much in plastic, slow to wrap, and what I felt were unaceptable spoilage loss. 4 wraps on the sides of them takes more plastic (since that puts about 25 wraps on the ends) than 6 wraps on the inlines.

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Jim in NC

08-27-2007 16:53:50




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-27-2007 14:13:24  
I run a '75 0r '76 445, same as 460 or 2460, 42 hp and a '78 360. 35 hp same as a 2360. Parts have not been a problem. It is a Fiat engine tractor made by Universal tractor of Romania. The same tractor was sold under several names: Allis Chalmers, White-Oliver, and Leyland to name a few. You can get parts on the net. Search for a Farmtrac dealer near you. This is the new Long name.



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old

08-26-2007 21:47:55




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-26-2007 19:18:16  
Fro $5000 you should be able to find something like an 801 or 601 series tractor which is bigger then an 8N and will have live hyds and maybe live PTO. Shoot I see tractors like that sell all the time for around $2500-3500 and then if you want a loader to boot add maybe another $1000 if even that much. Just keep your eyes open and look and then look some more. Don't jump in feet frist but look around at 10-15 tractors before you ever buy one. I figureing your a new be and thats why I say what I do. If you where not so far from me I have about 10 tractors for sale and all of them are less then $5000, and one is 4 or 5 times bigger then an 8N

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Andy in VA

08-27-2007 14:19:09




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to old, 08-26-2007 21:47:55  
I plan on looking for awhile but was trying to get some advice in order to have a better idea of what to look for. Unfortunately there are just a few dealers in the area and for the most part their prices seem high.



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BillinCentralMO

08-27-2007 17:56:24




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-27-2007 14:19:09  
I reccomend a Massey Ferguson 135 or 165 gas tractor.There is one on ebay now.I have seen several sell for 3000 to 5000. I have a 165 and I have an 8N too.The 8N has no live pto.When you push the clutch in to stop the tractor your mower (or any pto implement) stops too. This is a hassle.You can get parts for the Massey easier , its more modern , more power , more versatile and not much more costs.I think for ocassional use gas beats diesel. It starts easier , especially in the winter , and its easier to work on.If you do this right you will always be able to get your money back out of the tractor.There are alot of other good brands out there too.I would not buy the 8N though.A million oldtime FORD lovers may chase me off the board but the 8N is not what you need unless you just like working on tractors.Good Luck. Sure sounds like fun looking.Wish I was buying one. I have seven tractors and the little lady told me we aren't going to have eight.

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Andy in VA

08-27-2007 19:14:07




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to BillinCentralMO, 08-27-2007 17:56:24  
Thanks for the advice. We have seven dogs and seven cats. I've told my wife and daughters we aren't going to have eight of either but then we just had two pups a few days ago.



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old

08-27-2007 18:36:32




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to BillinCentralMO, 08-27-2007 17:56:24  
Bill you could always hide a few down at my place. LOL. What part of MO are you in by the way. My wife would not dare to tell me I can't have another tractor if she did then she would also loose her pets and toys



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old

08-27-2007 14:26:10




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 Re: tractor advice in reply to Andy in VA, 08-27-2007 14:19:09  
Dealer prices are always high they have to be because of the high over head they have. Look in the papers, the ads on this site etc. If you take your time and look a lot you will find way more then you would think there ever was. Shoot I have around 30 tractors and some of them the ones I really wanted took me a few years to find. Like my 1955 Oliver super 88 it took me 5 years of looking to find that tractor but it was also one that I really wanted to find.

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