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Canadian Cowboy

02-17-2001 19:23:26




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Im tossing around the idea of making a small log skidder, basicly a scaled down version of a jd540 or cat 518. Something in the 40 -50 hp range. Im thinking of making something cheap to do eco logging.

Im thinking of making it out of smaller old tractors. Im thinking of getting two equal rearends with tires, trannies. some how putting them together and have articulated steering, Have the engine mounted over top of one rear end, some how having the power from the engine going to the tranny by chain. The other rearend would be the driver's platfrom and winch/logging arch attatched to it. I guess the rear axle would be powered by the pto shaft of the first axle, some how??

Its just a wild idea in my brain now, Has any one ever tried to tackle a job like this?? I can't be the first one to think up this idea. Ive seen scaled down models of Steiger Tigers But im going for something that will handle skidding a 40 ft log out of the bush.

Any thoughts

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Bill Varnum

02-19-2001 23:22:54




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
I saw one built with 2 Allis WC rear ends. He had to flip the ring gear one one of them, and he used a semi truck front axle stub with the hub and king pin for the swivel and pivit for the articulated part.



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Dan

02-19-2001 19:28:55




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
After reading some of the comments, it reminded me of the hydraulic trenchers that I ran about 20 years ago. One was a Case-Davis machine with a 4' trancher on one end and a back-hoe on the other, probably about 40 hp. Maybe a little big for what you want. The other was a smaller version, had a Wisconsin motor 16 hp?, also with a small back hoe on one end and a 3' trancher.

Both machines were full hydrostatic, all wheel drive articulated steering. If you found a used or junked one, it might be a very good frame for what you want to build.

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Canadian Cowboy

02-20-2001 09:47:47




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Dan, 02-19-2001 19:28:55  
Thats a great idea, why didn't I think of that.

What kinda transmisions do trenchers have on them, ??

I think that would work out good If i found a decent sized one and stripped it down and added on what I wanted on it, like a push blade and hydrolic winches.



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Dan

02-21-2001 19:44:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-20-2001 09:47:47  
The trenchers that I ran had hydrostatic systems. The larger one that I ran had a hi/lo range on the transmission, hi range for road transport at about 15 mph. For trenching, the lo range is used. If you've never been around one, here's how it works. Both machines had a single joystick that controlled forward/backward, right/left steering. The farther forward you push the joystick, the faster you go. Pulling back to center not only slows you down, but provides braking also. You start the trencher and lower the stinger in the ground, while the machine is setting still. Once you get the depth you want, there is locking lever that holds the joystick from moving forward or backward, although you can still move it side to side to steer. The locking device also has a hand screw, and screwing it in applies slight forward pressure on the joystick so that the machine starts to creep forward. You start at a very slow speed, only a few feet per minute. You keep screwing the hand wheel in until you get to the point where you're moving as fast as the trencher can dig, maybe 30 feet per minute, depending on rocks in the soil, etc.

Both machines I ran had small blades -- actually both had a 4 way blade - up/down and angle right/left. Everything was hydraulic, transmission, steering, braking, trencher drive, blades, backhoe. With higher floatation tires and a winch, I would think it would be a good platform for what you want to build.

Both of these machines were Case-Davis brand. We also had a Vermeer trencher, but it was not in the same league as the others. It was a very clumsy machine that didn't work nearly as well. But in all fairness, it was pretty old at the time, and all of this was 20 years ago.

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Taylor Lambert

02-18-2001 16:32:42




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
A guy here made one that was made rom 2 old truck rearends from a ford courier and some old car parts for a few hundred dollars.he made 2 channel iron frames and solid mounted them to the axles. he mad an articulation joint. On the front he mounted a pinto motor and a small automatic transmission then put a standard transmission on the back of it. I t was off a 3/4 ton minus bellhousing and tail housing. This went ino a transferrcase all on the fron half. then put the front output to the front axle. He used a cv joint out of an old Caddy to make his dive shafts articulation and supply power to the rear axle. he then added a 3 poitn hich and hydraulic winches then a front blade. Hes used it several yeas after he logged to pull a bush hog he made and a farmed 7 acrtes with it. The totall time he made it in was 14 weeks.

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Canadian Cowboy

02-18-2001 19:23:44




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Taylor Lambert, 02-18-2001 16:32:42  
Thanks Taylor,

This sounds like the idea ive been searching for.
What did he use for Tires, what type of ground clearnace did he have, what was used to create hyrdrolic power and what was it driven off of??

Id better get right over to teh neighbours, teh ygot heaps of car and truck parts.



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Taylor Lambert

02-19-2001 11:54:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-18-2001 19:23:44  
He used a double vbelt off the engine to drive a small 7gpm pump. later he used a Dana pump thatwas 12 gpm cheap and easy find after Dana closed its plant here. he got 12 inches clearnce off some buckshot mudders, but made it too low speeded. he went up a few sizes to small combine tires. If i can locate this machin ill get a pic. he moved to a new house in Alabama. he did a 53 Chevy truck the same way. One problem with flippin the front axle over is that the ring gear wears from running revers all the time. but it only took 2500 hours to wear out. Thats longer than alot of these FMC skidders undercarriages last.Plus its 20 bucks to replace. Ins some rear ends the ring gear can be mounted on the oposite side to make up for this. Well Good luck

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Tom R

02-18-2001 13:02:25




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
About 20 years ago I had a similar Idea to build an articulated skid steer loader. I had started to gather up the materials, I was going to use the rear end's and frames from 2 old Allis Chalmers WC and use a 350 Chevy to drive a hydraulic pump. The plan was to use a hydraulic motor on each of the rear ends to drive the input shafts (no transmissions) and then use a single pivot pin to connect the two frames so hydraulic cylinders could provide the articulation. Before I had found a suitable pump circumstance changed and I no longer had need for it so it did not get built but I think hydraulics is the way to go.

Tom R

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Canadian Cowboy

02-18-2001 16:26:39




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Tom R, 02-18-2001 13:02:25  
tom

I like the Idea of using Hydrolics to power each axle, Im just wondering how well they will hold the skidder on a hill going down. Hopefully the log will slow up the skidder, if not tehy im going to have to add on a blade.

So do you think your idea would have worked out and do the job you wanted it to do???



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Tom R

02-19-2001 04:11:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-18-2001 16:26:39  
Hey Cowboy:

To answer your questions it sure looked good on paper: but I never completed it so even though I am sure it would have worked I don't have a working machine to prove it.

On a bi-directional motor setup you can plumb in 4 check valves and an adjustable relief valve to make the motor pump back into it self and provide self-braking. This braking works very well and would hold back your load. This circuit is often used in mobile hydraulics and winch circuits. My problem was I was looking for a large affordable variable displacement pressure compensated pump so that I could use only one pump for all hydraulics and not use an automatic transmission on the back of the engine.

My Bobcat skid loader uses a hydraulic motor on each side with a chain drive to couple the wheels together and it sure brakes effectively even with a load on the machine.

Tom R

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Hey Cowboy - (shep)

02-18-2001 11:47:54




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
See the link below for a ideas on a logging winch.
Also my dad is sending me some more info on horse loggin'. Will post when I have it.
HTH,
Shep



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Canadian Cowboy

02-18-2001 12:10:49




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Hey Cowboy - (shep), 02-18-2001 11:47:54  
hi shep,

I look forward to that info about horse logging,
Will check out the link,
Thanks
C.C.



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JK

02-18-2001 10:44:29




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  

Another alternative would be to get ahold of a 3pt. hitch skidding winch. If you have a smaller tractor with 3 pt., they work well. I have seen them used for $1500. A smallercrawler with a winch would also be good for smaller jobs. A friend of my dad's used a 310 Case crawler with a rear winch to draw sawlogs and firewood logs for years.I have skidded some fair sized logs with a Ford Naa or 4000 , if you chain logs to a 3 pt. drawbar you'd be surprised what these little tractors can do. The only limitation tothis method is you have to get close to the log to hook up, this is where a winch would be nice.

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markb

02-18-2001 07:25:11




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
There are quite few examples of custom-built tandem tractors. The smallest I'm aware of is a tandem Fordson Major, but you can conceivably do it with almost any tractor.

If you look at the more modern tandem construction equipment (twin-engine scrapers, for example), they use air controls for the throttles and shift, and are exclusively automatic transmissions. Rigging up the remote clutch and transmission controls for a manual transmission has to be pretty complicated.

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Jim

02-18-2001 10:15:12




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to markb, 02-18-2001 07:25:11  
Well,,.,,it is a thing you could do,,but my question is why?Where i am at you can get a older cable skidder for around 4 thousand,,and that is in usable shape,,,I think you will have more then that into building one not counting your time,,,unless it is just somethin you want to do..



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Canadian Cowboy

02-18-2001 10:45:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Jim, 02-18-2001 10:15:12  
i want to do low impact logging, like horse logging. I want to make a skidder that will sneak around tree's instead of having to make roads.

Ive seen a small skidder (50hp). but its $20 +, sure i could get an old tree farmer for next to nothing, put a decent diesel motor in it and go but its to big.

My target merket will be property owners who don't want big machies tearing up there wood lots for a few a load of logs. I thought of a mfwd tractor, used them to log with, a kubota L3350, it did a good job but to get one sewcond hand is close to $15ooo.oo

Next option try making my own.

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wrenchman

02-17-2001 22:48:42




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
i saw one made from 6x6 parts once.used two front axles,1 right side up,1 bottom upwards.used 1 front diff.& 1 rear diff,with pinons pointing at each other & driveshaft between.was 4wheel steer with two row chain drive from trans to one pinion.no suspension on rear and swivel on front.looked pretty good.dual wheels both ends.was at a salvage yard i went to about 10yrs ago.



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big fred

02-17-2001 20:04:41




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 Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 02-17-2001 19:23:26  
third party image

This is a photo of a skidder made out of two Farmall 400 Diesel tractors. It is a skid steer setup. It sits in front of the Garrett dealership in Enumclaw, WA. Don't know who made it, when they made it, how they made it. I plan on getting some more photos of the driveline details this spring or summer, and will post a link to them at that time, or you can check my photopoint album around July or so.

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Mike Garrett

11-11-2002 19:07:31




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to big fred, 02-17-2001 20:04:41  
That particular tractor was designed for pulling "huge" implements in the wheat fields in Eastern Washington. It was designed by my grandfather & great uncle in the 50's. It is still around..... Drop me a line & I can probably get some info on the design & specs to interested parties.
Mike Garrett



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Jim

02-18-2001 10:18:51




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 Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to big fred, 02-17-2001 20:04:41  
Cool tarctor in the pic,,but I dont think it was a skidder,,it has turf tires on it,,you would be stuck constantlt,,we have big cleats and chains just to get around here with ours...Jim



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big fred

02-18-2001 12:49:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Home built Log Skidder, in reply to Jim, 02-18-2001 10:18:51  
It doesn't have a winch either, which every Garrett skidder I have seen has. Tires are easy to replace, though, and since it has a Garrett name and sits in front of the Garrett building, I figure it's a skidder. It hasn't moved in over ten years.



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