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RobMD

05-22-2008 19:50:29




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Who cares if they're 'unsafe'? Ride sensibly.

I'm heading off to look at a Kawasaki Ninja 600 tommorow - about 45 mpg. $2550

Of course, it's just for getting me to work, and i'll have to resort to the truck for winter.




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Mark - IN.

05-27-2008 18:06:04




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Just did again. '08 Ultra Classic. Kicking that '79 stroker is getting to my knees. That and I've gotta quit smoking. That's killing me too. I'm keeping the '79 for sure, but riding that new ultra bagger's like driving a two wheeled Cadillac.

Mark



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Ray

05-27-2008 18:12:49




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Mark - IN., 05-27-2008 18:06:04  
I don't know i've seen probably 10 or 12 bike wrecks on the news this spring,several were killed.I sure this happens all the time over the country.An on the air personality from radio station 700 wlw in cincinatti ohio was killed today in indiana when he wrecked his bike. Besides,between being to cold, to hot,rain,snow,i'll just buy gas for my car.



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1936

05-23-2008 19:14:01




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Well, when you ride in any major city you sign your death warrent. Saw pictures of biker whos body was cut in half at the belt area by a light pole. Just his heart was left on the road. On the express ways no one is looking for bikes. Make sure you have all the final paper work in place before you buy so the wife will interet the estate. In Illinois when no paper work is left it is divided between the kids and wife each with the same share by the court.

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buickanddeere

05-27-2008 19:09:15




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 seen that mess: Save gas - Buy a donorcycle in reply to 1936, 05-23-2008 19:14:01  
Seen that one, what a ghastly mess. Every bike rider wanna be should see it. It was in a left hand drive European country. The young new rider was on a new Chinese clone bike. It appeared he was "at speed" and came up on slower vehicles and could not get through between or stop in time. His attempted stop was too long when using all rear brake and little to no front according to the skid marks. He either tried taking the side walk or skidded up over the curb and had the misfortune of a pole being there. He must have had the bike on it side and was off the bike as his head/chest on one side of the pole and his waste/hips/legs on the other side. While at 25-35mph it doesn"t sound like much but it pulled his spine off the pelvis. His now helmet-less and bootless body halves continued together down the street another 20-25 yards. His diaphragm was still intact, that was some of his bowl stretched out on the pavement. Not his heart. There was a spray of bowl matter on the pole and in a fan pattern in his direction of travel past the pole. Very little blood, his heart must have stopped instantly. The bike never hit the pole and was another 10-20 yards farther down the road from the deceased. It only looked scratched and probably could have been rode away from the scene.

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buickanddeere

05-27-2008 19:09:06




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 seen that mess: Save gas - Buy a donorcycle in reply to 1936, 05-23-2008 19:14:01  
Seen that one, what a ghastly mess. Every bike rider wanna be should see it. It was in a left hand drive European country. The young new rider was on a new Chinese clone bike. It appeared he was "at speed" and came up on slower vehicles and could not get through between or stop in time. His attempted stop was too long when using all rear brake and little to no front according to the skid marks. He either tried taking the side walk or skidded up over the curb and had the misfortune of a pole being there. He must have had the bike on it side and was off the bike as his head/chest on one side of the pole and his waste/hips/legs on the other side. While at 25-35mph it doesn"t sound like much but it pulled his spine off the pelvis. His now helmet-less and bootless body halves continued together down the street another 20-25 yards. His diaphragm was still intact, that was some of his bowl stretched out on the pavement. Not his heart. There was a spray of bowl matter on the pole and in a fan pattern in his direction of travel past the pole. Very little blood, his heart must have stopped instantly. The bike never hit the pole and was another 10-20 yards farther down the road from the deceased. It only looked scratched and probably could have been rode away from the scene.

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John S-B

05-23-2008 14:25:44




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I guy in my National Guard unit was killed this morning when a minivan pulled out in front of him. No thanks.



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Goose

05-23-2008 08:39:30




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I've had a lot of fun and cheap transportation on motorcycles over the years. But--about 15 years ago, I decided to quit while I was ahead.

Even if you're a good rider yourself, it's all those other freakin' lunatics on the road you have to watch out for. And it's getting worse.

When I was in Japan, motorcycles ridden by both military and civilians outnumbered cars about ten to one, so there was safety in numbers. Here in the states it's the opposite.

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buickanddeere

05-23-2008 08:39:05




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I really enjoyed riding the 750 but gave it up. Too many close calls even driving and knowing the bike was invisible to car/truck drivers.
People would pull out of driveways directly into the bike's path,turn left across in front of the bike or nearly rearend the bike in traffic.
If I ever ride again it's going to be a Harley with semi noisy pipes and a strobe headlight/tailight.



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Amarillo doug

05-23-2008 08:00:53




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Rode a motorcycle one time when I was young and dumb.Had to have one when I was 16,first time I rode it I hit some loose gravel on a curve on a country road and dumped it.Afriend rode up on a good looking 2 year old colt when Iwas getting up and when we rode away he was on the motorcycle and I was on the horse.I got the better end of the trade!LOL



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02XLT4X4

05-23-2008 07:57:05




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I wouldn't mind getting a street bike someday, not really for the milage savings (added plus) but just because I think it would be fun. If I got one it would be a Harley styled one, I think a Victory would be a fun bike to have.



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CaseChev

05-23-2008 06:25:36




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I was reminded yesterday about Lee Iacoco's famous quote during the fuel crisis period in the 1970's "PEOPLE WANT ECONOMY AND THEY WILL PAY ANY PRICE TO GET IT. "



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MarkB_MI

05-23-2008 06:01:22




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Well, if you're set on it, go ahead. But do wear proper protective gear. I highly recommend taking a motorcycle safety class, even if you're an experienced rider.

Do you have insurance that will cover your living expenses if you're out of work? My wife always wanted a motorcycle; she bought a Harley Sportster a few years back. One day she fell and dislocated her thumb. Insurance covered the (painful) surgery, but not the six months she was out of work. (She's a hairdresser and couldn't use scissors until the thumb healed.)

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Kestrel in CT

05-23-2008 04:47:59




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Go for it ! It's not the destination, it's the voyage. I bought my first bike last year at age 56.

A Harley- (at 45 mpg), I'm instantly cool, get to act and dress like a pirate, but I still need help with the attitude, knife fights, and tattoos.

Seriously, just drive like everyone is trying to hit you, keep your speed down and alcohol home.



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Billy NY

05-23-2008 04:42:52




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I can remember the fuel savings riding early 80's Yamaha Maxim 650's, when the weather was good, was all I had and really was not a bad means of transportation and on less traveled roads, much more enjoyable. Might be older and more cynical now, but was aware of the hazards then, never let it stop me, though over the years, I've seen first hand the results of over a dozen accidents, all fatal, you really have to consider your well being and risk on one of these. Don't want to ruin riding for anyone, but the harsh reality of the consequences are no joke.

Unsafe.... one thing is for sure, there ain't much forgiveness if you dump one, someone pulls out in front of you, cuts you off, you don't see stopped traffic, hit an animal, wet pavement, loose gravel..... etc., it is highly imperative when riding to be on super high defense, staying intimately focused, attentive and aware of everything around you and approaching you at all times, and then some.

Use care and be safe !

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36 coupe

05-23-2008 06:13:03




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Billy NY, 05-23-2008 04:42:52  
I sold my Indian Chief about 45 years ago.Just too dangerous.Older drivers cant see you,those who can see think your on a bicycle doing 10 mph.A friend who was still riding in his 70s sold his,too many close calls.He slid on a little sand turning on to his street.He said there was just one big rock in the ditch and his head hit it.He had a helment on so no injury.I sold it when my son was born,figured he would need me to be around for a few years.Bad weather is a giant problem, even summer nights get cold in the north east.My grand son has a 16 grand bike ,told him he could have bought a good house lot with the money.We get too soon old,too late smart.

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Billy NY

05-23-2008 08:35:18




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to 36 coupe, 05-23-2008 06:13:03  
That helmet, and all the rest better to have than not, and like all safety equipment, may not be popular with some, but it's all you have.

Figuring that for the most part in life, if it's your time it's your time, better to live than not, just somehow these things, in my now somewhat biased opinion have a way of expediting that sometimes, I've seen a lot of lives cut off short from these things, also seen some really horrific injuries, some nasty accidents.

One guy hit a taxicab so hard on the FDR in NYC one afternoon it looked like the cab backed into a telephone pole at 60 MPH, instant fatality, he was in the backseat of the cab, done. My uncle smashed his HD into the back of a dumptruck that pulled out and cut him off, Oct 15, 2002, had to break the news to my mother. Seen another who had wiped out, hit a retaining wall, just happened, he was already gone, no vitals. Another one, whole group of riders, one with his GF on the back, stopped traffic in a hidden spot on the belt parkway in Brooklyn, his head was the size of a pumpkin at the funeral, several fatalities in that one. Had 2 riders on a yamaha TT250 hit me, they were completely illegal, no lights, no helmets, and I never even saw em coming from the opposite direction. I was driving a '73 impala, was a senior in HS, was just making a turn at about 3 mph, was at night, they hit the drivers side front corner of my bumper, that broke both their legs with compound fractrures before they launched into the air and flew over the roof, one hit a telephone pole in mid air, the other one missed. I graduated HS with a $3.5 million dollar lawsuit, it took years to settle out, they survived, the one who hit the pole was going to get up and kick my @ss, but his leg was wound up beside his head and he was missing part of his foot. Ended up they tried to say I did it intentionally too. I'm standing over him, looking at this, the other guy was out cold, just thought he was dead, he made it too. Lost a friend from school, had not seen him since middle school, this was 2 years after HS, he was working for a friend of my dads doing excavation on the new building going up where I was working, nice saturday, 1/2 day, was great to see him, that afternoon he slammed into a bus.

Have seen a lot more of these, not sure why either, but over the years it sure adds up, and you can't let it stop you, bikes are a lot of fun, get out to those nice country back roads, paved of course, we have a lot of state roads that are good riding still, but get into that urban area, the highway, forewarned is forearmed, really have to be careful.

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deerejunkie

05-23-2008 06:21:59




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to 36 coupe, 05-23-2008 06:13:03  
bought a fixed up 1983 honda nighthawk about 3 months ago to use instead of my f250 diesel for going to work in town, basically a 100 miles a week , i am saving over 40 dollars a week, you just have to watch the road, a motorcycle will make you a better auto driver

get a bike a put a rag head in the unemployment line, quit sending your money to the arabs



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garytomaszewski

05-23-2008 08:37:15




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to deerejunkie, 05-23-2008 06:21:59  
So what you really admit is that a 3/4 ton diesel p/u wasn't NEEDED for a commuter vehicle. Surprise, check all the soccer moms, secretaries, store clerks, in an SUV/crewcab.



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tlak

05-24-2008 06:17:09




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-23-2008 08:37:15  
Maybe it's, you drive what you have. Everybody can't afford three vehicles to let one set till you need it. You already said something about his wife getting groceries in it. A little Toyota ain't going to pull the camper, boat, cattle and hay trailers.



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02XLT4X4

05-23-2008 10:55:29




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-23-2008 08:37:15  

garytomaszewski said: (quoted from post at 08:37:15 05/23/08) So what you really admit is that a 3/4 ton diesel p/u wasn't NEEDED for a commuter vehicle. Surprise, check all the soccer moms, secretaries, store clerks, in an SUV/crewcab.


It could be that or it could be it is no longer feasable to drive his tow pig on a daily basis.

Nobody NEEDS a truck for every mile they drive.

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Billy NY

05-23-2008 07:59:53




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to deerejunkie, 05-23-2008 06:21:59  
It will make a better driver out of you, just have to be attentive, too many things to watch out for.



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tlak

05-23-2008 04:08:25




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
When you see foreign countries you see a whole family and all their household goods stacked on a motorcycle. The oil companies are switching the US to look like those countries.
I would keep looking for a small car or pickup before I would buy a MC. For a while somebody was getting killed on our interstate every week, the roads are so bad they would swallow a MC.



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tlak

05-23-2008 04:08:17




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
When you see foreign countries you see a whole family and all their household goods stacked on a motorcycle. The oil companies are switching the US to look like those countries.
I would keep looking for a small car or pickup before I would buy a MC. For a while somebody was getting killed on our interstate every week, the roads are so bad they would swallow a MC.



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ericlb

05-23-2008 03:40:23




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
it might be worth it, i myself would prefer a more upright riding position on a bike, but i sort of did the same thing, i was feeding the critters with my 83 1 ton flatbed chevy and burning 11 gallons of gas a week doing it right here on the farm, i bought a cheap [1200 dollars] new riding lawn mower [ i dont think any of these things are built well and a cheap one will survive as long as a expencive one] and one of those little dump trailers that goes with those, now i burn 1 1/2 gallons a week feeding, [ have to make 2 trips though]

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Jim H. SW-PA

05-23-2008 00:28:33




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
The motorcycle isn't unsafe it useually is the driver. Why a ninja. the only time I see them, they are only running with one wheel on the ground. Seems like you have a need for speed. thus not makeing any difference in fuel costs and setting yourself up for several fines. The insurance depending on your age will cost more than a road bike.



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Hal (WA)

05-22-2008 22:46:35




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
I don't know where you live, but around here, it isn't very practical to consider riding a motorcycle very much except during the really hot Summer months. If you have ever ridden very far in the rain at about 45 degrees, you would know what I mean.

And the question of safety is a very important one. Even if you drive sensibly and are ultra defensive, a motorcycle will ALWAYS come out second best if it tangles with a car or truck. Other drivers can make mistakes and just not see you. Or they can misjudge how much room you and your motorcycle need. Even if you are wearing a good helmet and excellent leathers and boots, if you get into much of an accident at all, you probably will get hurt.

I think it makes sense to have a small economy car to do my running around. My Mazda Protege gets over 30 mpg all the time, and I know there are others that do even better. It is reliable and comfortable. And while it is probably not nearly as safe to drive as my F250, I would be willing to bet almost anything that it is many times safer than a motorcycle.

I used to enjoy riding motorcycles and had my own "crotch rocket". It got better mileage than a car, but not that much better, but I didn't really think too much about mileage, except that I had to fill up oftener than I thought was handy.

Unfortunately I had a couple of real close calls. One was riding at night and nearly hitting a deer that jumped out in front of me, and the other was being forced off the road while riding down a city street. I was doing what I was supposed to be doing in both instances, and it was just luck that prevented my having a bad wreck and probably getting injured. Those two incidents kind of took the joy of riding motorcycles away from me.

If you really want to save gas, why don't you buy a motor scooter? They get very high mileage...but not nearly as macho as a Ninja! Good luck, and be safe.

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Steven f/AZ

05-22-2008 20:26:40




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Simple calculations.

Motorcycle 45 mpg 15,000 miles per year at $4 fuel = approx $1333 in fuel costs.

Decent car 25 mpg 15,000 miles per year at $4 fuel = $2400 in fuel costs.

Pickup at 18 mpg 15,000 miles per year at $4 fuel = approx $3333 in fuel costs.

So if you are going from a car to motorcycle you save approx $1067 in fuel costs every 15k miles. It will take you over 30,000 miles to save in fuel costs the purchase price of the motorcycle.

If going from a pickup to the motorcycle you save approx $2000 in fuel costs every 15k miles. Your purchase price is recouped more quickly due to the increase in the difference in fuel economy.

NONE of this takes into account the added insurance costs and maintenance costs of owning another vehicle.

I got rid of my 42mpg Honda del Sol due to the fact that it saved us only around $350 per year in fuel costs and the insurance alone was costing me that much.

Trading vehicles simply for a few more mpg does not pencil out well, UNLESS you are in the market for a replacement vehicle anyway.

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dhermesc

05-23-2008 05:46:35




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-22-2008 20:26:40  
Unless you buy a lemon your maintenance cost does not go up. You're maintaining two vehicles but they are getting the same miles you would have put on one.

Insurance and tags are what must be considered as additional cost - and the FACT that gas will probably be $5.00 a gallon in six more months.

Buying a decent used economy car now is already hard to do - wait six months and it will be even harder. Big SUVs and pickups are already taking a hit in resale (and new off the lot). But give it a 2 years it will be time to buy a low mileage one at good price, about then gas prices will start to go back "down" to a cheap levels of 2.75 - just about the time the alternative fuels start coming into their own.

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Mike M

05-23-2008 04:16:09




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-22-2008 20:26:40  
Yes by doing the math you really don't save. I put off buying a small car for a few years by doing the math. Finally got some extra money and said what the heck and bought one last fall. It sure is nice not spending so much on gas ! I could of bought alot of gas for the price of this car though ! Now I can spend it on other stuff like brake pads for the wifes van. I sure wish Insurance companies would offer some sort of "deal" to encourage buying an extra car. If there is one out there I'd like to switch over to them ! Now my truck is likely going to fall apart from sitting ? If driven everyday it's trouble free,but now it's starting to show some problems.

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Steven f/AZ

05-23-2008 07:14:14




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Mike M, 05-23-2008 04:16:09  

Mike M said: (quoted from post at 04:16:09 05/23/08)I sure wish Insurance companies would offer some sort of "deal" to encourage buying an extra car. If there is one out there I'd like to switch over to them !


American Family gives me a multi-car discount, along with a discount for carrying my auto, home, and life insurance with them. It adds up when you get all of them in one place!

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Davis SC

05-22-2008 20:46:19




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-22-2008 20:26:40  
Good Math! I had been thinking about buying something like a Kia, so I could park both pick-ups most of the time. No way could I make the math justify the price of a car, tax, insurance, etc..Plus, many times I need to be in a pickup, so I can haul stuff. About all I can do is just minimize my driving, and consolidate trips. I did my weekly trek yesterday, and took care of 5 matters in one 20 mile trip. Planning ahead helps.

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old

05-22-2008 20:17:02




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
Crouch rock?? Not a good one for a day in day out rider. Or at least I don't think so. Depending on how far you would have to ride I would go with something more like a 350-500 cc bike and get more like 60 plus MPG. I know if I had the money to buy one right now I'd be looking for one around a 350-500 and then look at turning it into a 3 wheeler because of my back problems. But I have also been riding them since I was 14 years old legal like on the road. Got my first drivers license when I was 14

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evielboweviel

05-23-2008 02:32:44




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to old, 05-22-2008 20:17:02  
Old
my brother bought a Ninja last year. replaced the handlebars and made a few other adjustment and now has a nice bike that handles great with great gas milage
did I mention he is 55yo, 6'7" tall and about 200lbs?
Ron



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old

05-23-2008 09:01:47




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to evielboweviel, 05-23-2008 02:32:44  
Ya they can be a nice bike if you do a few things to them but they way they where when new is a pain in the back to ride them much. There made more for speed then taking a long ride on



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garytomaszewski

05-22-2008 20:02:34




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 19:50:29  
A motorcyle is really not very fuel efficient the mass moved for the fuel used probably puts it in the same range as your pickup.



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Roy in georgia

05-22-2008 20:22:17




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-22-2008 20:02:34  
for just transporting what it is intended to it is very efficient the one I looked at the other day was the guys play toy then he started driving it because he said it got over 60 mpg. What I am saying is that if you don't need the truck get a bike and save what you can in fuel



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RobMD

05-22-2008 20:14:00




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-22-2008 20:02:34  
Check out the link below



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garytomaszewski

05-22-2008 21:00:37




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to RobMD, 05-22-2008 20:14:00  
Once again; raw numbers look impressive, BUT read my statement again. You are moving a 400 # ? bike plus a 200 # ? rider one mile on 1/45 gal or moving a 4000# car + 200 # driver one mile on 1/20 gal. Then use Steve's comparisons plus the number of days it rains, you need to pick up the kids, a part, groceries, whatever. I just can't pencil out a motorcyle being any more than an extra toy (read expense).

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evielboweviel

05-23-2008 02:29:51




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-22-2008 21:00:37  
I can and have done all the fancy math.
HOWEVER
real world my Discover Card bill is $300 a month less when riding than when driving the truck. SO add up (June, July, Aug, Sept) + partial months at $100 avg (April, May, Oct, Nov) subtract insurance aprox $250, maint $1000, tags $55 and total out ahead
NOT TO MENTION if I don"t ride then I end up with a lot worst depression and would rack up doctors bills. (didn"t ride for 9 years while putting wife and kids thru college) SO FOR ME IN THE REAL WORLD IT WORKS OUT JUST FINE. Also how many spend how much on golf, boats, fishing, beer, etc??
Ron

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garytomaszewski

05-23-2008 08:26:19




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to evielboweviel, 05-23-2008 02:29:51  
HOWEVER, your figures: $300 x 4 months=$1200 +$ 100x 4 months= $400 = $1600 savings - $1305= $295/year savings. BUT are you still insuring and maintaining a vehicle you are not using ? What value are you placing on having it available when not able to motorcycle ? Are you still spending on golf, boats, fishing, beer ? Again an entertaining hobby great fun BUT STILL ONLY A TOY.



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evielboweviel

05-23-2008 11:56:23




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-23-2008 08:26:19  
I have a truck for year around use and use it when I want to. Those figures show my actual savings and my expenses for insurance, tags stay the same. However my maintenance cost per year goes down by 33%. BUT I didn't add that in to my calculations. So by the math you just ran I have $295 in my pocket that I wouldn't have had otherwise. Not to mention my truck will now take longer to get to the 200,000 mile mark meaning I don't have to buy another truck as soon.
Ron

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Don L C

05-23-2008 03:02:20




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to evielboweviel, 05-23-2008 02:29:51  
Right from the stat CREDIT cards are poor loans....Save lots of money.....drive your truck and pay those dam credit cards off,,,,, I just did your math.....

When you get them paid off, use one, Discover pays you to use their money

....have a second card for thoes that dont take Discover.....

I have never made just a monthly payment....pay it all every month..... .

I dont owe money to any body....feels good...Don

If you cant pay the toyal balance off each month your spending more than you make.....Dumb !

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kyplowboy

05-23-2008 04:03:00




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 Re: Save gas - Buy a motorcycle in reply to Don L C, 05-23-2008 03:02:20  
Just cause you use a credit card don't mean you don't have money. I don't carry alot of cash most of the time. I don't like write'n alot of checks. I have two cards in my wallet. One I put gas on and pay off every month with one check. The other is a farm bureau card, I put farm stuff and truck fuel on and pay it off each month with one check. Have'n a card to put farm stuff on sure makes it handy at the end of the year, you have 12 statments that you can set down and add stuff up instead of try'n to get a shoe box full of gas and diesel recepts stacked up.
Guess what I am say'n is every one who uses them don't need them, they are just handy.
Dave

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