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Chris Jones

05-08-2008 11:04:37




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We used to be able to buy some small cars that got 40-50mpg now it's really hard to find one. I'm not talking about hybrids here, I'm talking about cars like the Geo Metro with it's 1.0L 3 cyl. We also used to have some truely small pickups, Chevy Luv anyone? Even in 1988 the Nissan pickup was a true small pickup. With gas so high you'd think a car company would be putting something like that on the market now. They're still selling power. All the commercials are about how fast and powerful their products are.

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Chris Jones

05-09-2008 07:23:40




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
check out www.fueleconomy.gov

Check out the Compare Side-by-Side and Search by Class links in the upper left as well as the New 1985-2008 MPG estimates in the lower right. While these estimates might be biased one way or the other they hopefully bias all vehicles the same. It's interesting reading.



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Steven f/AZ

05-09-2008 06:50:01




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
I don't believe any mileage claims without some data to back it up...

I have kept track of EVERY gasoline fill and miles travelled for around 3 years now with my car and van. For the car, my best tank was 38 mpg - but that was a downhill run at 55 mph under ideal conditions, I doubt it will ever do that well again. On the other hand, my worst tank was around 20 mpg which was all in town driving and lots of idling during the winter. Overall average has been around 28mpg.

Just because ONE tank does a certain mpg doesn't mean that is what you are consistently achieving.

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Lee in Iowa

05-08-2008 21:12:54




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Our 02 Saturn ran 40 mpg and above when we took it to the black hills 4 people and the trunk packed clear full. Fairly simple 4 cylinder 5 speed air on most of the time 80 mph on the interstate. Has 165,000 on it now and still running good (knock wood). I think they're still making the same model SL1. Fairly reasonably priced at the time we bought it. Lee



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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 19:55:22




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Measure your mileage from the diesel pump instead of off the dash and get back to us with the numbers.



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john in la

05-08-2008 18:03:56




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
We just bought a 2008 Toyota Yaris about 6 weeks ago. While it does not get as many MPG as the Toyota Echo we replaced (Same engine differant trans) it does OK. Got 35 MPG out the first 3 tank fulls.



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dangerdoc

05-08-2008 17:09:59




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
The reason they quit making them is that people weren't buying them.

Now is crunch time do they spend millions of dollars tooling up for small cars? They know Americans are fickle and if gas prices go down, the small cars will sit homeless on the lots while people scramble to buy the biggest,fastest vehicle on the lot.



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M Moline Fan

05-08-2008 18:38:11




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to dangerdoc, 05-08-2008 17:09:59  
Right on- you hit the nail on the head. They build what sells and can't turn on a dime when the winds change.



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botamike

05-08-2008 16:28:37




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
I personaly would love to have either a Chevy Luv diesel or old Ford Ranger diesel pickup truck. Just a good work beater that I dont mind getting the seat dirty ect. Cannot really find them up here in Indiana anymore, most rusted away from the road salt, same thing with chevettes. Mike



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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 15:35:39




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Neighbor has a newer Ranger with the v-6 and auto, makes around 16 to 18 mpg... about the same as Dad does with his F-150 with the 3-valve 5.4 - what's the point of the smaller pickup???

On the other hand, I had a 90 Ranger club cab 4x4 with the 2.9 v-6 and a 5-speed that would make 23 mpg quite often. Worst I ever got was a touch over 19...

Why do people believe they need 300 horsepower and a 5 second 0-60 time in their pickup, or car, or SUV?

My del Sol had a 1.5 liter 4-banger and would 0-60 in about 15 seconds, easily went 80mph on the freeway, hauled all I needed in the trunk, etc. with 42 mpg average over 20,000 miles that I owned it. Unfortunately it only had 2 seats so needed to be sold when the little one came, but the Civic coupe or sedan will do almost as good for mileage while hauling up to 5 people (4 comfortably).

Faster, faster, mine's bigger than yours, etc. are the main problems here.

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pair-a-dice farms

05-08-2008 15:23:41




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
I can't understand why these smaller cars and pickups that are made now don't get better MPG. The Ford ranger and chevy s10 or whatever they call it don't get any better than a full size with a V6. I have a 94 F150 and a 95 Chevy 1500 and both of them get 21-23 mpg on the highway. My wife has a 2002 Buick Regal that only gets 27-28.



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geo in MI

05-08-2008 15:14:10




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
My neighbor used to have a Crosley--got darned good mileage--but somebody stole it and put it on top of a root beer stand..... ..... ..



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36 coupe

05-09-2008 05:39:59




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to geo in MI, 05-08-2008 15:14:10  
Our chief of police had one years ago, it was always turning up in strange places.He had to chain it to a light pole in front of the station.I fixed one for a customer and drove to his house.Not my kind of car,I had a 36 Ford with dual carbs, exhausts and high comp heads.The dual exhausts were a real cop magnet.The millis chief cop gave me repair tickets,I had an inspection license so just signed the tickets and gave them back to him.He got a registry inspector after me.The day he showed up I had put the stock system back on.My boss had a good laugh over it.

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 14:40:52




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Dad claims mid to high 20's out of his 57 Chevy 4-door with a 283 four barrel, 3-speed overdrive...

My 01 Accord does around 28 mpg in town and 32 mpg on the highway... I'm trying to find a reasonably priced mid 90's Civic CX, HX, or DX for a commuter car... those can be made to make mid 40's with minimal changes.



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jdemaris

05-08-2008 14:27:57




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
In regard to the LUVs - Chevy didn't make any part of them - they were rebadged Isuzu PUPs. I'm still driving one - an 85 4WD with a 2.2 diesel.
I've also got two 81 diesel Chevettes -which have Isuzu 1.8 diesel engines and drivetrains made by German Opel.

For anybody that wants a small truck, there are plenty around. Just buy one, fix it up, and use it. The car companies wouldn't offer them because the public is short-sighted and often acts on knee-jerk reactions. The car industry can't do that - they must plan ahead a little and try to predict future trends. Yeah, I hear lots of complaining now - but . . . if fuel prices dropped - most people would be back to business as usual. Then, the car companies would be stuck with stuff they nobody wants to buy. That may already be hapening with the huge investement recenty made by the big three in offering light trucks and small SUVs with European turbo-diesels.

I certainly agree there were some neat and fuel efficent vehicles years back - and most were quite utilitarian by today's standards. Many had no AC, no power windows or door locks, no cruise, no tilt wheel, no extended cabs, and sometimes no power from the engine. Personally - that's what I prefer - but any rig like that is hard to find. Even with newer vehicles - try to find a Ford Ranger 4WD with a small engine and standard trans - it's just about impossible. Same with Chevy of Dodge. I used to have an 81 Honda Accord that often got 40 MPG on summer highway runs. My wife's 90 4WD Subaru Justy with a 1.3 liter engine got in the high 30s. She now drives a 95 Geo 4WD Tracker with a 1.6 that does almost as well.

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dddl

05-08-2008 13:52:27




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Yep got a 94 honda accord, 240,000 miles on it and getting an actual 31.5 miles/gal. driving it 400 miles/week back and forth to work. Now someone tell me why i should buy a new car that will get an EPA estimate of 30 miles/gal? we sure have come a long way in 14 years!!



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cj3b_jeep

05-08-2008 12:48:55




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
I always wonder the same thing. My buddy had a Chevette Diesel that got 60 mpg back in the 80s. It was a slug, but got great mileage. Those old Chevy Sprints and Toyota Tercels got in the high 40s-low 50s. No one makes a small pickup anymore, just mid sized. If Huyndai made one I'll bet they sell out of them.



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jdemaris

05-08-2008 13:59:16




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to cj3b_jeep, 05-08-2008 12:48:55  
60 MPG? Never happened with a diesel Chevette. I've got two, and one I've driven since new. Absolute best with the older high sulfur diesel was around 48 MPG, now it's down to 45-46 MPG.



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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 11:50:02




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
My 94 Honda Civic del Sol got over 40mpg consistently WITHOUT hybrid technology. Was it fast? No. Did it manage the speed limit? Yes.



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Mike M

05-08-2008 11:39:19




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
You CAN buy the small pick-ups , but you can't run them on the roads ! They are importing scads of those mini-trucks from Japan but our laws won't let you liscence them for the roads.



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Chris Jones

05-08-2008 11:49:26




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Mike M, 05-08-2008 11:39:19  
I'm not talking about those--I know the ones you speak of. But the old late 70's early 80's pickups were small but still a quite rugged pickup. The small trucks today are move midsize than small. They used to even have 8' beds in toyotas or datsuns. I remember in the late 80's one of them was even rated to cary a full ton. I used to see Chevy Luv,s and the Ford Courier's on farms everywhere.

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big fred

05-08-2008 12:35:30




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:49:26  
I used to drive a '81 LUV every day to work. 1.6 or 1.8 liter carbureted engine, averaged about 26 mpg. My wife hauled the heaviest load with it, 1400 lb of old asphalt shingles, herself and two heavy friends. She showed me the scale ticket from the dump and I asked her how it handled. She said "Well, it sat a little low in the rear..."

Nice little truck, but it turned out to be invisible. Rear-ended by a drunken realtor who "didn't see it", then about 6 months later totalled by a martial arts instructor who "didn't see it". It was bright red.

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 12:45:12




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to big fred, 05-08-2008 12:35:30  

big fred said: (quoted from post at 12:35:30 05/08/08)...then about 6 months later totalled by a martial arts instructor who "didn't see it"...


Do not doubt the power of the martial arts, grasshopper.



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big fred

05-08-2008 14:06:37




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 12:45:12  
He was a Korean feller, nice enough guy, but he drives like, well, like a Korean. He'd been living here for 5 years, finally got a immigrant visa so that his wife and child could join him. He had just picked her up at the airport (in his brother's Mercedes) and made a left turn in front of me, hit me head-on. He was going slow, I had the brakes locked, so nobody hurt, but he pushed my radiator back into the fan. Raised heck with my gas mileage. Sold the truck to a friend who did some sledgehammer and come-along bodywork to it, soldered the radiator holes and drove it to work for another three years.

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TVB

05-08-2008 11:30:46




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Things that make you go hmmmmm.



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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 11:22:25




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
The big three had econo boxes on the sales lots. Customers walked right past them and spent money they didn't have for something costing four times more and getting 1/3 the mileage. Now as a business. Are you going to have the product customers want? Or are you going to watch potential customers drive away from the competition's lot in a SUV? Too bad the bunny huggers, environmentalists and safety Nazis had their way here. No diesel VW, Mercedes or anything else since the early 2000's. It would be great to have an AWD European style turbo diesel but..... ..... ..... .. I could always import a well maintained rust free 15+ year old 4X4 Japanese turbo diesel or kei car.

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RustyFarmall

05-08-2008 12:31:18




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 11:22:25  
Not true. The big three did have the econo-boxes, but the dealers WOULD NOT and still will not stock them in inventory because there is very little profit in a plain jane/no options vehicle. Also, not too many years ago you could walk into new car dealers showroom, and if he did not have what you wanted, he would gladly order it for you. Not so today. You buy what is on the lot, or you walk away.

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Chris Jones

05-08-2008 11:56:02




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 11:22:25  
That's part of the problem. People seem to want their cake and eat it too. Great mileage and a big vehicle. And it seems many folks don't mind borrowing to get the latest and flashiest.

But since 2002 and especially since the summer of 2005 the demand should have been really increasing for a high mileage car and in all this time the only thing car companies have offered us are hybrids. Surely they still have the technology to make a car they made in the 80's. Isn't it about time they see if folks would buy one again.

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Circus

05-08-2008 11:42:01




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 11:22:25  
Not true. They just made more profit on the gas guzzler. They sold econo boxes only to meet the cafe standards and were sub par quality. No wonder nobody wanted one. The same companies sell great vehicles in Europe where bull doesn't go.



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RustyFarmall

05-08-2008 11:16:22




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to Chris Jones, 05-08-2008 11:04:37  
Another question. What with electronic fuel injection and modern aerodynamics, why won't a full sized car of today get any better fuel mileage than a full sized car from the 50s or 60s? Those 1960 Chevy Impalas were BIG cars, and would still get an easy 18 to 25 MPG.



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the tractor vet

05-08-2008 14:24:53




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-08-2008 11:16:22  
Well my 68 Road Runner 383 4 gear 3.23 rear gear and the way i drove it ( HARD) would get 14-15 around town and out on the open road on a trip running way over the speed limit i could knock down just shy of 19 mpg . My 71 Duster 340 with the slush box and 3.23 gears on a trip would do just this side of 20 hauling donkey and i do mean flat out and flyen and yes it would do every bit of what the speedometer said plus a shade more if ya held it on the floor and there are two guys that were in the Duster when we did push her past the 150 mark. So here we are today with the latest and greatest tech. and there ain't nothing on the road that can get out of it's shadow or get any real fuel mileage . Heck the wifes old Dodge Intrepid with the 3.3 on the first trip out to Slo's for the taler gathering knocked down 35 and i was shocked as i did not spare the whip on the way out . Now go look and see what the best ya can get out of this new JUNK and for what price. Just about to the point of giving what someone wants for a 68-69 Road Runner and dive it atleast i can fix them. I realy don't need A/C power winders cruse control or power seats with heated leather and the rest of the B/S along with ABS braking plus the added advantage of if i wanted to pass someone it only took a couple seconds.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 14:55:13




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to the tractor vet, 05-08-2008 14:24:53  
Tractor Vet. I don't know what kind of mathamagics was involved in your calculations? It appears you were measuring distance in kilometers rather than miles. And using Canadian gallons instead of American gallons. I'll take the AC, power seat, cruise control & ABS. As for the power, acceleration, braking, handling & fuel economy of the 1960's muscle cars? You can go down to the used vehicle lot and purchase a 300+HP, 2000's pickup that will do better.

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the tractor vet

05-08-2008 19:27:25




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 14:55:13  
I don't think so The era of the mussel cars was in my hayday. I also kept good track of gas i used as it was a carry over from what my dad taught me on keeping records on your cars and equipment. Plus i was working as a Chrysler Plymouth mechanic , All i did da in and day out was mussel cars . was one of two that were certified on the Hemi's and went for training for five days when the 440 6 pack came out . The 71 Duster i owned was the 1971 show and test car that every car magizine test drove when i got the car after test driving it on the test track it had 856 miles on it and a bald set of G 70 14's on the back . Off the show room floor 13.23and 107 thru the quater , just leave it in drive and stand on it . My RR would run the quater in a 13.12 @109 Still have the time slip layen around along with the trophies . Now they were not as fast as my old Ford but they were STOCK with just fine tuning . So when it comes to old Ford or Mopar preformance it took and realy good wrench to out do me . I may be getting old but i can still make the old ones runand a lot faster then anything coming out of Detroit today . Like one day and old friend and i were talken and this old friend just happened to be the owner of the org. BIG BAD DODGE and he and i were talken abot the new Viper and how well it ran when i brought up let put my old Duster up against it in heads up title for title he asked me if i just wanted one for free as there was noway that the Vipe could take the duster and he was 100% correct , Off the line 0 to 70 the 340 Duster for 71 as tested the car i owned would do it in 4 seconds , in the 1/8 mile Duster against a hemi now we are talken the real Hemi you know 426 cid dual 4bbl. don't care what body it was in the 340 would knock it's socks into the creek . That little Duster was like Burger King took two hands to handle that whopper, because when ya poked it you had better be ready to drive.

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davpal

05-08-2008 23:04:24




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to the tractor vet, 05-08-2008 19:27:25  
Tractor vet I have a friend that owned a brand new Hemi back in 1969. He was just showing me the pictures of him with it and a lot of trophies on the hood from racing it. He was 18 at the time. He is very open minded about cars and has had a lot of different ones and said the Hemi had very little competition back in his day. The 340 Dart would have been a joke against a hemi car. I don't buy the 4 second 0-70.I don't think a Dodge Viper could run a 4 second 0-70 or a new Corvette for that manner. An 80's era 5.0 Mustang would run about a 5.8 second 0-60 and those cars could destroy a 340 Dart on the street. 340 cars were only good for mid 15 second quarter mile times on a good day. Hemi's were good for low 13,s or high 12,s and 5.0 stangs ran 14's out of the dealer lots all day long with no particular problem. The same friend with the Hemi bought a 90 mustang gt 5.0 car and with shorty headers, 3.73 gears, underdrive pulleys, synthetic fluids, hartman power box intake, skinny front tires and drag radials ran 12.90 at 104 mph without ever opening the engine. He said it was faster than his Hemi ever went and got over 20 mpg even with the gears.

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the tractor vet

05-09-2008 07:17:21




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to davpal, 05-08-2008 23:04:24  
Sorry mis read the gear thing . Well don't know about your friend here but with the group that i ran with off the show room floor the 340 duster around here were all running in the 13.40-13.60 and allthe 68-69 road Runners were running just a shade faster . when the first 440 six pack came out a god friend picked up his new Dodge on Saturday afternoon and crused town that evening and Sunday morning we had it at the strip with just a shade over 400 miles on it and her first run was in the low 12's and we knew that it would go faster and made a few changes to the timing and springs in the ft. and rear carbs and on the next pass it was running a 11.60's on street tires and 4.10 gears . Soo if your friend 's hemi was not running in the mid to low 11's then it was not tuned .

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the tractor vet

05-09-2008 06:33:31




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to davpal, 05-08-2008 23:04:24  
Well i am stating fact here in the 1/8 mile the 340 would out run the hemi but in the quater the hemi would win . And the 0-70 in 4 seconds is fact . I have driven every mopar in the era either on the track or on road tests ran them on the dyno . And oh yea on the 3.73 gears in a hemi of that time frame never happened from the factory as your choises were 3.55 or 4.10 4.10 was the factory gear for the 4 speed cars and 3.55 was standard for the slush boxes. This area had a vary large pop. of mopars on the street as there 57 Road Runners in this small town alone not counting the Super Bee's Duster, Cuda's ,Challangers and Darts. There is a Drag Strip just a couple miles north of town that Friday and Sunday that we spent a bunch of time at .Not counting the other 4 that were and hours drive . The car that i owned was the ugly Duster that was the cover car for the Sept.1970 issue of Hot Rod Mag. So if ya want to look up the info. there you will find the test of the 71 340 Duster. When i bought that car i had moved on from being a wrench to a parts manager of a new large Chry. Ply dealership and was the largest stocking hussel stuff dealer in my district . If it was in the Mopar high performance cat. it was on the shelf . So i sorta really know what is what on the 68 - 73 mopars.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 20:03:19




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to the tractor vet, 05-08-2008 19:27:25  
I checked the facts on 1960's muscle car performance before I purchased my Grand National. Your numbers are as accurate as your spelling.



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the tractor vet

05-09-2008 06:52:23




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 20:03:19  
Ya i know my spelling lacks and your grand nat. came out after the big craz and it was turboed . But for a carb fed it was fast . When the 72 models came out things were on the down hill As i remember the huge difference in the perfor. drop . that going from a 10.5 comp ratio to the 8.5-9 made with the new customers coming in complaining about the new car that would not get up and go and how they got there clock cleaned by and old car. Yea , buick got it wright after all them years tryen to cautch up. and how long did it last. And where are we at today. Is a young guy that got out of school with his first job going to be able to run out and buy a new Challanger?? or Mustang or what ever flippen burgers or stocken shelves a wally world . Let lone be able to just go out of a weekend and cruse , not with out robben a bank .

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jdemaris

05-08-2008 14:12:20




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-08-2008 11:16:22  
What sort of Chevy Impala did you ever have that got 25 MPG? I had a 58 Del Ray with the 235 six and three-speed stick and it was a stretch to get 18 MPG with it on a long cruise. My 60 Biscayne with the same 235 six and a Powerglide was worse. My 65 Bel Air with a 283 and Powerglide got 14 MPG on the highway. In 1959, I went with my father to buy a new Ford that was advertised as their best fuel mileage car. Two-door 59 Business Coupe with three-speed stick, and the "Milemaker 223" six-cylinder engine. NO options - not radio, no power steering, no electric windshield wipers, etc. On a long trip on the highway, never exceeding 60 MPH it got 20 MPG. The best fuel-mileage I ever saw with a true 60s American car was the 1960 Ford Falcon. With the small six and stick it could get 30 MPG which is pretty impressive.

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flying belgian

05-08-2008 17:47:58




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to jdemaris, 05-08-2008 14:12:20  
Pa had a 65 Ford Galexie with 240 six. On a long trip driving carefully he could get 24.



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ramtuff

05-08-2008 18:01:48




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to flying belgian, 05-08-2008 17:47:58  
I had a new 1967 Ford pickup with 240 straight shift trans 15 mpg is the best it ever got.



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36 coupe

05-11-2008 03:38:57




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to ramtuff, 05-08-2008 18:01:48  
I bought a hi milage 96 Ford 4wd F150 from my son when he bought a brand new 4wd Gmc and a snow plow.Ive heard all the complaints about 4wd trucks so I checked the milage on a 100 mile trip.truck has a 351 v8 auto trans mission with over drive.Filled it up at a general store 2oo feet from my drive way.The first half on the trip was made a 45 to 50 mph on rural hiways.The tachometer says the engine turns at 1400 rpm when the truck is doing 45 to 50 in overdrive.It will run 2000 rpm at 40 to 45 mph out of overdrive.The second half of the trip on the interstate was run at 55mph for 25 miles then a few miles of city driving, then 25 miles on a rural highway.Back to the gas pump and filled up.Calculator said the truck got 19.3 mpg for the trip.While on the interstate I saw pickups hauling horse and box trailers blow by me at 70 mph.Speed limit is 65.Many ton dual wheel trucks flew by me when I tried holding 65 on another trip.I drove a 3/4 ton 77 chevy for about 15 years until the salt got the chassis.This truck taught me to stay under 50 mph and not to play lead foot with it.Its got a 350 v8 with 4bbl carb.My trucks are used for work not runabouts.I haul grain,fertilizer,hay and firewood.Any one can do milage checks on a vehicle.Its hard to do a fillup at todays prices but it can be done.Set the tripmeter on zero and fillup again at the half tank mark.Then calculate the mpg.Bottom line is simple,if you drive fast you are going to pay.My friend had a 4 cyl. Ford Ranger ,he always complained about gas milage.When riding with him I noticed he always drove 60 65 mph at all times.Always argued with me that speed made no difference in gas milage.Got him to fillup once and found he was getting 24 mpg.My wifes 89 Mercury Marquis got 23 mpg out of overdrive on a test.He refuses to beleive it.It looks like the majority of drivers on the road do not understand that fast driving wastes fuel.Try driving the speed limit on an interstate highway and count the cars and trucks that pass you.A state trooper here clocked a Toyoto Prius doing 85 mph.State owned vehicle.Fellow who owned propane trucks checked the computer on one driver and found he was running at 85 mph most of the time.

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John B. NE Ind.

05-08-2008 17:36:29




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to jdemaris, 05-08-2008 14:12:20  
My 2500 HD Duramax diesel with 55,000 miles gets 20 mpg around town and 25 on the hwy. I had the computor reprogramed and gained around 3-4 mpg on the average after 20,000 miles. The truck weighs about 7500 lbs. Seems odd that a car weighing less than half can't get at least 35 mpg. What's wrong with this picture?



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davpal

05-08-2008 22:49:50




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to John B. NE Ind., 05-08-2008 17:36:29  
Hate to say it but there is no way in h@ll that your duramax diesel gets 25 mpg now or ever. Heres a comparison. My 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII has a 32 valve 280 hp engine that loafs down the highway very effeciently at about 1400 rpms at 60 mph with better aerodynamics than a late model pontiac firebird (look it up). Weighing in a 3900 lbs this car pulls 23 mpg in the winter and 25.1 mpg in the summer every year faithfully since I have owned it. This car absolutely slides through the wind with minimal resistance with the very efficiant engine barely working. You are going to try to tell me that a 7500 lb diesel truck with the aerodynamics of a sheet of plywood is going to get the same fuel economy as this car. I would be willing to make a substantial wager at a test track with both vehicles having exactly the same amount of fuel that you are absolutely wrong. You are talking better mileage than a V-6 Camary or a Nissan Altima. Not happening sorry. Dont believe the story. And I am sure nobody else on this forum does either.

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36 coupe

05-11-2008 02:30:37




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to davpal, 05-08-2008 22:49:50  
You forget that diesel fuel has more BTUs per gallon than gasoline.Its common knowledge that diesel farm tractors use less fuel than gas tractors.



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dlplost

05-09-2008 01:47:48




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to davpal, 05-08-2008 22:49:50  
1997 K2500 Extended cab 6.5 turbo Diesel 230,000 miles on it and I run 20 mpg on the highway every day to and from work.
Yes the Duramax will do better than that..some of the newest ones are getting up around 28mpg.



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buickanddeere

05-09-2008 06:38:23




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 Re: Speaking of gas prices in reply to dlplost, 05-09-2008 01:47:48  
Are you telling me that a New Duramax with 20 US gallons in the tank will go 560 miles? There is no way unless it's being trailered the last 160-200 miles.



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