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Fuel cost - No Politics, please.

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Spook

04-28-2008 18:56:18




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I see predictions of 4, 5, 6, or even 10 dollars for gas and diesel. 2 questions:

1) How much of the increae is due to inflation?

2) At what price level does the economy fail?

Lets try to be civil.




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JDknut

04-30-2008 03:41:46




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
Short term: unregulated Wall Street run amok on speculating and trading commodities as the supply/demand fundamentals are no differentthan during the 50 dollar barrel era. A small coterie of wealthy traders is grabbing windfall profits while no one is looking. Long term: we are running out. The US has no more petroleum reserves of any significance, and we have to buy it from those that hate us. Besides, they aren"t making any more petroleum, and havent for many million years.

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Bill(Wis)

04-29-2008 17:04:11




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I have the option of cutting my motor vehicle fuel use in half any time I want to. Will I? Maybe. If the price goes to 5 bucks I will and so will a lot of other people.



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tlak

04-29-2008 14:38:14




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I think there is a lot of gouging going on, on products other than oil.
Several people on here usually say, "We'll have to do like the Amish". The Amish are addicted to oil like everybody else. But, how a person could be like them is throw the tv, news papers and computer out the door and you would fix all the world's problems.



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Steven f/AZ

04-29-2008 14:43:05




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to tlak, 04-29-2008 14:38:14  

tlak said: (quoted from post at 14:38:14 04/29/08) ...throw the tv, news papers and computer out the door and you would fix all the world's problems.


YES!! Media sensationalism is driving most of this garbage... especially the rationing of rice.



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TomTex

04-29-2008 09:21:25




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
1.The long-term outlook is that fuel will be MUCH higher than current prices. China population is growing like fertlized weeds and numbers of cars is growing almost exponentially. China's future demand for fuel will soon drive markets way up.
2. USA gave up our railroad systems years and years ago. A train can haul "one ton for 423 miles on one gallon of diesel". 90 percent of trucks on the open road should not be there, but should be picking up containers at the railheads, then short hauling. Most countries in Europe subsidized their railroads and waterway hauling since WWII.
3. Our huge deficit will not now permit us to solve many of our problems. In the last 7 years we have spent the next 10 years of tax revenue, on CREDIT.
4. Average USA family now owes over 8,000 in credit card, at HIGH interest rates. They blow more money on needless interest than the current increases in fuel prices. They HAVE to pay the interest every month, which is why the fuel price increases gets their attention.
5. Clean burning coal and nuclear, with most cars running on battery driven electric engines has to be the only long-term answer. Battery technology needs more development to get prices down and driving distances up. You would drive to work, plug in, drive home, plug in. Range could be extended to 100-150 miles at 55 MPH, seating 4 passangers.
Tom

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trucker40

04-29-2008 16:30:52




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Texasmark, 04-29-2008 15:36:47  
I dont exactly know the percentage,and couldnt seem to find it,but lots of truck companies are owned by railroads.Railroads are an idea,but its an idea that wont work.This is not the 50s any more.Lots of tracks have been torn out,and railroads have not really kept up with the times.It would cost a fortune to put all the freight on the railroad and take years to do it.First you need to get the government out of it so you can fix it.
Trains dont haul food anymore,or very little.It takes them too long to go from where the food is,California,Texas,Florida to everywhere else.Railroads as they exist now can hardly keep up with the freight they haul.If railroads had to stop at just the places they did in the 50s we would have lots of hungry people.It doesnt matter what fuel costs,if you want to eat,its going to come to you by truck for many years from now even if they try and put it on rails.Also that warehouse on wheels to Wal-Mart and other places.If you dont have trucks how long will it take the railroad to get around to hauling your stuff?Probly a couple of months,maybe more.Next,think shipping is high priced now?Wait until it gets to where the government sponsored,slow,corrupt,and overworked railroad has to do it.Better give up on the railroad saving you,thats not going to happen.There will always be trucks,and they will always be faster than the railroad.
Now having said all of that,there are things that can go on trains and get some trucks off the road.Thats going to happen,and its going to take lots of trucks that we need off the road too.
I dont see why the sky is supposedly falling because China has cars?China has oil and ethanol too,so does India.Not enough like everybody that has cars,but they have some.The thing is,big oil is going to get a reputation,worse than what they have now.We have lots of coal and the infrastructure is here for electricity.Looks like we might jump to electric cars.Maybe we would have already done this if big oil had been honest about its intentions.I dont think anybodys going to believe anything they say from now on.Then electric cars will run on Chinas roads as good as they do here.From now on I am going to study how to build a still and big oil can blow after I get it built.

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Leland

04-29-2008 21:18:44




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to trucker40, 04-29-2008 16:30:52  
Trucker your just a tad bit off about the RR's ,now they are running hotshot satalite monitered reefers coast to coast on non stop to the east coast from the west ,same goes for intermodel trailers as well .the railroad can out compete any truck since they have no scales or DOT to screw with .many a trailer loaded on the pig contains 60,000 lbs instead of only 46-48,000 lbs .



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Tradititonal Farmer

04-30-2008 04:35:07




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Leland, 04-29-2008 21:18:44  
Plus they have the right of way and trucks have to stop for them(LOL)



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Alex.C

04-29-2008 15:03:22




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to TomTex, 04-29-2008 09:21:25  
On the railroads, thats not true it just needs the granger comition to be reset up and put this place like it was in the 50's. Back then there were no group of big roads doing what they wanted. They had to do what the granger commition told them, but trucking had the granger commition killed during decentralization to get what they felt was their piece of the pie. The big rail roads also helped remove the granger commition, which had been in place since 1890. This country needs a rest to default button if you ask me.

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trucker40

04-29-2008 08:12:57




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I spent a few hours Saturday trying to read as much as I could about oil.It seems like there is a lot of oil around Brazil that will hit refinerys about 2010.There are other methods to get oil that make it possible to get more oil out of wells,and they have found a huge deposite of oil in the Gulf Of Mexico.Also they could maybe get a lot of oil from the East coast if it wasnt illegal to drill there.There is oil that seeps out of the ground in the Gulf of Mexico,and floats on top of the water.There is a big bunch of oil under South Dakota,North Dakota,and Montana.Old oil wells after 10 or more years start to fill back up with good crude oil again.The United States is still number 3 in the world with the amount of oil that we have.There is oil sand from where most of the oil we use is coming from now,thats in Canada,which is trillions of gallons,Venezuala,has oil sands too.The United States have oil sands in Utah,Nevada,maybe other places. This problem we have now is political.The dollar is worth less every day.As somebody said its a push to ruin our currency so to force us to an Amero.Its already advertized on some web site I saw. Its rich,stupid,greedy people.Now what I dont get is after the oil companies get all our money,and after they ruin the United States,what will they do then?Once we are all broke they wont sell gas any more.Once there is no United States there wont be any place for them to operate any more.Any government past ours will take their company/corporation away from them and steal the money themselves,and make the oil company people slaves like,either find oil or off with your head type of situation,and more,the rest of the world will be a prison.No freedom anywhere.
Somebody has to tell me how this is going to be better?

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Steven f/AZ

04-29-2008 07:30:28




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
You sure wouldn't know there was any trouble here near the Colorado River... Huge, jacked up SUV's pulling double and triple axle trailers with big v-8 powered speed boats on the highway, and of course hundreds of those boats roaring up and down the river (for no purpose other than entertainment). Jet-ski's on trailers behind same big SUV's and trucks, and roaring up and down the river, going in circles, jumping wakes, etc. All for fun and no sign of slowing down.

Drive out in the desert, more big SUV's and trucks pulling toy box campers loaded with $10,000 four wheelers, Rhinos, dirt bikes, etc. Just driving in circles and jumping hills for pure entertainment.

Commute to work, big SUV's and trucks you see on the weekend with above toys hooked up are now being used to get to work - ONE person in the driver's seat and no one else along. A very few have a full load of people, but they are few and far between.

My wife and I have taken to making one, planned out route on Saturday or Sunday to do all of our shopping for the week. No more leaving the house after getting home from work just for something to do or to pick up one grocery item. No more going for a drive on the weekends just to see the country and kill time. We were frugal before $3 fuel, just taking it another notch now.

Is the country going to collapse? I don't think so, but many people who are wasteful may see some really hard times coming up.

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lucas boy

04-29-2008 07:08:50




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
my opinion is . value of dollar down and speculators drive up crude price .also need more refining capacity,, need more supply of crude.. id start first at getting rid of speculators. i guess at what price oil price causes depression is debatable . in my county people have money , but i see blue collar folks allready feel like there is a depression.lucas



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36 coupe

04-29-2008 04:37:28




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
My son and I were measuring his lot lines Sunday morning about 10 am.There was so much traffic we had trouble measuring the highway right of way because of the steady flow of traffic.Once we got the frontage measured I was glad to get into the woods to set the back pins.The speed that people passed us amazed me.This is a rural highway.High gas prices havent bothered these road runners much.I used to spend 100.00 a month for fuel oil, now its 365.00 last month.Fuel oil is running 4.00 now and it will be 5.00 in Sept.I am retired and am buying nothing.Most gas I use goes into my tractor and chain saw.My truck is on the road once a month to get grain and a few supplies.I go with a friend to get groceries once a month.There are some people with high incomes that wont be bothered buy high prices but the majority of us will be hurt.Most people I know get about 600.00 a month on SS.I build picnic tables in May and June every year and wonder if I can sell any this summer.I have been working in the woods cutting firewood and fence posts.It looks like heating oil will use my entire check next year.I burn wood in my kitchen and will have to use the living room stove full time next winter.Filling the oil tank will cost 1100.00 in sept.I have gotten thru the winter on one tank full in the past.What will happen when your heating fuel takes your entire income?A friend who kept his thermostat on 72 and wore just a t shirt used 2000 gallons of oil.Good thing he sold his place because his heat cost would run 10 grand next winter.Natural gas isnt used much here.Propane costs over 3.00 a gallon here.Most oil cos here have a 100 gallon minimum delivery here.Not many people can pay out 500.00 for an oil delivery.A lot of off road diesel fuel is being hauled home in 5 gallon cans here and used for heating.Kerosene is 4.50 a gallon now.Outside tanks have to use kerosene because #2 fuel will gell in filters and line. Many of you will jump me for spreading gloom and doom but we are in deep trouble.I was born in 1937 and cant remember such hard times.That includes the rationing during ww2.No sugar ,meat or butter,.My dad got 3 gallons of gas per week.Gas rationing will be back soon so keep good records of your gas usage.My mother told me that that oil and coal were rationed.

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Alex.C

04-29-2008 15:17:13




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to 36 coupe, 04-29-2008 04:37:28  
We do need more refineries but the enviomentals that now run the country( to find them look at a congress men's bank statement and walking 'round the white house)won't let that happen and they won't let us become 90% self sufficient on oil production cause there the old class creeps trying to get revenge. And thats a lite insult from me on them.



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Tradititonal Farmer

04-29-2008 03:15:59




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
It all depends on how low the US Dollar drops in value.The true cost of anything is what its worth
in relation to everything else.Paper currency is just a medium to easily transfer that value.Unfortunately for Americans oil has become
much more of a wanted item than almost anything our labor produces to the rest of the world.Thus the value of our currency is down and it takes a lot more of it to get oil these days which means it takes more US Dollars for us to buy petroleum
products.Guess we going to have to quit playing golf,buying useless gadgets,etc etc etc especially on credit and start producing something the rest of the world wants at a price it wants to pay to increase the value of our currency.A lot of people here are in for a shock as to what their standard of living will be in the future.The ride on the Gravy Train is about to come to an end for many.

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MF Poor

04-29-2008 03:02:10




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I couldn't agree more that high energy cost is fueling inflation (rather that the other way around) If gas prices were to suddenly drop back to $2 a gallon, the economy would suddenly start to boom. But the prices won't be dropping.

I read somewhere that the "average joe" in middle America is now spending $4400 more per year than 16 months ago as a result of increased energy cost. And that is expected to rise another $2000 by years end. That estimate includes gas, home heating, groceries, consumer products, ect. If those numbers are anything like accurate, that's over $6000 out of the spending hands of each of us. Our Federal Government seems to have thought at one point $600 per person would STIMULATE the economy. Imagine how 10X that much would boost the economy.

As far as a break point goes, I suppose that depends on what you consider a collapse of the economy. Try telling millions of Americans who've already lost their homes it HASN'T collapsed already. Some of us are better than others at building a strong personal financial base. This economy has already taken out many who were at the low end of that totum pole. It's slowly eroding that "Average Joe", and beginning to cause even the hardiest of souls to fear what's ahead.

In my eyes, the collapse has already begun. It just hasn't reached terminal velocity just yet.

The American people are in for some really big changes in lifestyle. We've been through 230+ years of growth with a few ups and downs, but essentially a continued long term upward economy. Now the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

Once upon a time, the US economy was based on a gold standard. Like it or not, today it's based on a petroleum standard. And it's NOT our petroleum. We're now at the mercy of a part of the world that doesn't like us. The only way to reverse this trend is to shed our dependency upon foriegn oil. And that will take a generation or two at the current pace.

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buickanddeere

04-29-2008 02:39:40




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Fuel will cost what people and corporations will pay for it. How much demand and how much supply. Will we run out? Never but the type and price will change. How much fuel burned in the US alone is not essential but is tied to ego or recreation?



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gun guru

04-29-2008 02:37:17




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I think that more small cars will be sold and trucks and SUVs will decline in sales. The slide of the US dollar is partly to blame for high crude prices. Gas price stabilty may come with gas rationing cards (I dont want that to happen) but I see so many people driving fast on the freeway in big trucks., like their rich and can afford the gas no matter what the price is--which is BS for you and me. High gas prices will make more people work from home, (which can be good)

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trucker40

04-29-2008 07:41:46




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to gun guru, 04-29-2008 02:37:17  
Big trucks run on a schedule no matter what fuel costs.For many years at least one of my loads a week was raw materials to a plant and delivery time was ASAP,or the plant would shut down.All loads have to pay fuel surcharge now or sit on the dock.Fuel surcharge is 80 cents a mile on $4.00 fuel.



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gun guru

04-29-2008 13:52:37




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to trucker40, 04-29-2008 07:41:46  
I was talking about big pickups, big SUVs and the big car barrelling down the road at 70mph.



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circus

04-29-2008 02:29:43




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
The question should be " How can we profit from conservation?". Now conservation is strictly do it yourself because nobody has figured out how to get more profit by selling less. One method might be a fuel tax and credit scheme.



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kyhayman

04-28-2008 21:37:02




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I dont see any of the fuel price increase as being inflation driven. Just the opposite, the price of fuel is driving inflation. But, Im not willing to fall prey to the gloom and doom. All businesses have cycles, and all inestments have cycles. Right now, commodoties are "bubbling". This has happened before. In the 1970"s, commodoty prices went out of sight, land prices got away from economic value, and real estate got a bubble. There was the mix of inflation and economic stagnation. It took guts on the part of the fed to raise interest rates and a steep sharp recession to put an end to it. But, we had 20+ years of prosperity.

As to a tipping point, Im sure there is one but I dont see it. Reading in today"s paper I noticed two things. 1. people are buying funds that make money in a down economy like gangbusters. Only problem is normally these buying sprees happen two months after the fact when things are already turning. 2. Massey energy is opening a new coal mine every 17 days from now until the end of the year looking to increase output by 25 percent by 2010. I know Massey isnt the only energy company looking to capitalize on high prices. The tipping point I see is in commodoty prices. The backlash against ethanol, the large number of reinvestments in petroleum energy, and the current recession and declining consumption of energy should result in a tipping of the commodoty complex. Which will precipitate more doom and gloom on here as the ag commodoty complex collapses. But the economy will go on.

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Man O' War

04-28-2008 21:44:33




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to kyhayman, 04-28-2008 21:37:02  
"Which will precipitate more doom and gloom on here as the ag commodoty complex collapses."

Yessir, that's the part the corn ethanol addicts don't seem to get. Live it up now, we'll have cheap oil AND corn again, just a matter of when. Oil is a cheap, plentiful, renewable resource. It's too bad the politics of the day are keeping our nation from using it.

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Mark - IN.

04-28-2008 20:58:25




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
Without trying to scare anyone, I will only relate what happened to me some months back. I fell asleep listening to the AM radio one night, and woke up to two guys talking in the wee hours of the morning, and one of them depressed the living stuff out of me. Now...keep in mind that I'm telling you what this guy said, ok? He, as I recall was some sort of economist and was going on and on about when the price of a barrel of crude hits somewhere around $134 per barrel, the dollar will callapse and be replaced with Amero, which is supposedly already being minted illegally in Denver as our at least North American currency to bolster our economy against the Eurodollar. Then he started talking about how Mexico would benefit the most, because they have no economy and would pole vault onto the same level as us through the Amero, and how Canada would lose the most is their currency is the most valuble in North America. The more this guy kept talking, the more depressed I got by thinking that whatever money I had saved up (dollars) would suddenly become worthless. I'm telling you, that waking up to this guy talking had me so depressed that I was thinking about getting out of bed, climbing up onto the barn and diving head first into the concrete pad at the barn door at 1, 2, or 3 O'clock in the morning, or whatever time it was. But then he said something that relieved my new found in the wee hours of the morning brain pressure. He started talking about flying saucers like you or I talk about tractors, cattle, seed, and the sort. Flying saucers with some guy that I guess is named George Nooray, or something like that...and I started thinking, this guy's a nut. He really had me going until he got to the flying saucer stuff, but...he's a nut. I hope he's a nut. I hope he's like that Nostradamas guy whom made a ton of predictions that passed without happening.

I don't have your answer. So...don't go jumping off the barn like I almost did, cause I'm thinking the guy's a nut. In my entire life, I have never gotten so drunk that a flying saucer picked me up off of my tractor and burned circles in my fields while little green guys poked me with needles and demanded that I take them to my leader. Oh, and one last thing...don't fall asleep with your AM radio on. It's not conducive to anything that I can think of, if you wake up at the wrong time. Them two guys? A couple of nut jobs, I hope.

Good luck to all of us.

Mark

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JDknut

04-30-2008 03:47:32




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Mark - IN., 04-28-2008 20:58:25  
That sounds like Art Bell, the king of apocalypse. If you take seriously what he says, you'd go looking for the nearest bridge to jump off of. I stopped listening to that crap years ago, does no one any good.



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Man O' War

04-28-2008 21:22:11




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Mark - IN., 04-28-2008 20:58:25  
Nice copy and paste job. LOL I think I've read that before.

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Mark - IN.

04-28-2008 21:30:37




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Man O' War, 04-28-2008 21:22:11  
I'm the one that posted it before, over at the political board that's now gone, and I'm not real sorry that it's gone. Things are much calmer at YT these days, which keeps my blood pressure down. Nice guys and gals here and I'm enjoying it.

Mark



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LEH

04-28-2008 20:55:18




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I don't know at what point the wheels come off. We keep getting closer to that point every day with prices going up. Maybe $5 a gal. for gas will be the tipping point. We could be headed for a "down turn" that will be worse than the Great Depresion of the 1930s. I hope not, but the housing BS sure reminds one of the boom of the 20s.



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Pair-a-dice farm

04-28-2008 20:24:38




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
I think that fuel is just keeping up with every thing else. In the late 70's a general labor job in my area was paying about $4 hr now the same type of job is about $15 hr. There will be some adjusting to nearly all goods and it may take a while. What causes an economy to fail is knee jerk reactions. If everyone will just cut back on unnecessary purchases and pay off debt as soon as possible it will work out. The only thing that I see not keeping pace is cattle prices. In the late 70's fat cattle were $.60 and now they are $.85-90, that one may be hard to swallow

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Dieselrider

04-29-2008 04:24:02




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Pair-a-dice farm, 04-28-2008 20:24:38  
In the seventies gas was .60 per gallon and is now almost $4 for same gallon. That's six point 6 times more. Those wages from four dollars then to 15 now are only four times as much. That means fuel is almost twice as pricey as then.



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Pair-a-dice farm

04-29-2008 10:01:23




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Dieselrider, 04-29-2008 04:24:02  
In the mid 70's your right gas was $.60, but in 1979 there was a rise in gas prices and it jumped to over $1 a gallon much like it has done in the last 24 months. In July 1979 I paid as much as $1.34 a gallon and the price stayed near or above $1. That was in addition to double digit interest rates.



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DickL

04-28-2008 19:25:26




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
First of all the economy is not going to fail.
I had three laid off people call last week and ask if I was hiring. I said yes come on over and fill out an app. Not one showed. Two months ago I hired and did the paper work for four. Three never showed up and the fourth worked three days and said the work made his arm sore and quit. He had to remove a two pound plastic part from the mold every three minutes. I have a 5 ft 1 in skinny gal that does it for weeks at a time.
There has been plastic factorys in my area lay off people but they aint going to work until the checks are about ready to stop but they sure will clame that the economy is in the tank.
I have had this place for 32 years and you hear the same gloom and doom every time housing sales slump and the auto sales slip. That does not happen to be the whole economy. It does get the most news coverage. Farm crop prices are up and the auto workers will squeel like stuck pigs because some one else is making a little money.

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Man O' War

04-28-2008 21:27:48




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to DickL, 04-28-2008 19:25:26  
I'm in the plastics industry myself(moldmaker). What part of the country are you in?

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Davis SC

04-29-2008 06:19:42




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Man O' War, 04-28-2008 21:27:48  
I am a former moldmaker.. All our customers started buying Chinese molds, but still expected me to be there whenever they had problems..I got tired of dealing with it, and shut the doors.. Anyone want to buy a nice EDM ?



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DickL

04-29-2008 04:15:41




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Man O' War, 04-28-2008 21:27:48  
North West Ohio.



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Spook

04-28-2008 20:41:06




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to DickL, 04-28-2008 19:25:26  
I don't know. I think at some point, the effect on the economy becomes so great, that things really get bad. But I think that is a low probability event now. If oil goes to $150, it becomes a much higher probability.



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Old Roy agiin

04-29-2008 05:13:04




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 20:41:06  
I got some good news and some bad. The bad ? I heard on the today show about a week ago.[By the year 2029 oil will be close to $300.00 a bbl. The good news is ,--I won't be around to enjoy the discomfort this causes.



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Mathias NY

04-28-2008 20:02:25




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to DickL, 04-28-2008 19:25:26  
My company has been trying to fill 2 manual labor positions for 3 months now. The spots are unskilled; ability to read and write is a plus but not required. Starting at ~$9/hr, with a $.50/hr premium for second shift. It's a union shop, with benefits, a quarterly bonus that is around 10%, and the potential for advancement.

We can't seem to find people who are interested in that. Many who are, don't study hard enough for the drug test. Others just aren't interested in working second shift. Things aren't as bad as people want to think.

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Dieselrider

04-29-2008 04:35:22




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Mathias NY, 04-28-2008 20:02:25  
What are the other employers in your area paying in comparison? Many times, starting out in a "union" shop is not an advantage to someone coming off the street. You have union dues and what ever other costs (steel toes shoes etc.) to purchase right up front. If someone is driving 30 miles to work and getting 15 mile to the gallon, that's two gallon coming and two gallon going, or four gallon and at $4/ gallon, thats $2/ hr to get to and from work. Now that guy/ gal is making $7/ per hr. and paying taxes and union dues on $9/ per hr. I know folks have to work but, I'm just trying to see it from both sides. Have a good day.

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greg b

04-28-2008 19:21:38




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
at 2 bucks a gallon so i guess the economy has failed



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marlowe

04-28-2008 19:08:03




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
around me it failed about 20 cents a gal. ago



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kyleOH

04-28-2008 19:01:14




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to Spook, 04-28-2008 18:56:18  
im not sure.. but id like to win the lottery just to see how it feels to fill up..

rich get richer and the poor get poorer



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Sid

04-28-2008 20:08:03




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 Re: Fuel cost - No Politics, please. in reply to kyleOH, 04-28-2008 19:01:14  
Thanks for the reassurance. You see I never thought of my self as being rich, but thing keep getting better and better so I guess I am rich.



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