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O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes

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Kevin (FL)

03-21-2008 17:01:57




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2001 diesel SRW 145K miles. Had to change 1st clutch cylinder assembly at about 60K. Just changed this out at about 143K. This one has started acting up--not disengaging at random times. When it doesn't work, the clutch pedal feels like there's molasses and sand in the cylinder. Is this one defective or could there be other problems with the clutch fork or something else?




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RCP

03-22-2008 08:09:59




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
Sorry to say this isn"t just a Ford problem, we had the same problem with a "98 S-10 and a "00 Silverado. We replaced both of them ourselves, there were no leaks, and replacing the master cylinder first did not help. On the Silverado we did the master cylinder first, no luck, so we replaced everything else(Pressure plate, clutch disk, slave cylinder) and it was ok, but to look at anything you would say it all looks good. On the S-10 the clutch was shot, so we replaced the disk and pressure plate, six months later we replaced the master cylinder, still would not release so we had to do the slave cylinder. Also a friend of mine with a F-350 PS, had his clutch quit releasing, he replaced everything and now it works, but to look at the parts you would say everything looks good.

I talked to an engineer at a major producer of clutches in the US, we couldn"t come to reasonable explanation.

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T_Bone

03-22-2008 02:52:28




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
Hi Kevin,

My master cylinder was bad when I ordered my new 02 F350 PSD. I would miss gears and grind a few every so often and I thought I was going to have to go back to school to relearn how to drive a manual 6spd...LOL

It turned out the be the push rod seal was leaking inside the cab, about 1tsp of fluid in a 1000 miles. I found a couple drops of fluid on my floor board one day and took it in for a new master and slave(warrantee).

They are best replaced as a prebleed pair as there a "B" to bleed. You have to keep the master above the slave when manual bleeding on the bench.

Another thing I found, while rolling forward it's possible too shift into reverse without grinding any gears. I was chasing bad guys one night and did a 360 and just happen too see my back up lights come on before I let the clutch out.

T_Bone

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rustyfarmall

03-21-2008 22:44:15




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Sid, 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
I've got a 2001 Chevy that just flat loses the clutch pedal on a HOT day. Park it somewhere for a few minutes till everything cools down and she's good to go again, but it does get quite interesting herding that thing through city traffic knowing that the pushing down the clutch pedal may or may not have any effect.



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Fudd@work

03-21-2008 20:18:41




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
We have a 2002 F-750 that I have replaced 6 of these setups on. They get air in them and won't move the slave cylinder. The last one I removed the slave cylinder and worked the air out but haven't put it back on the truck to see if it worked. Ford replaced the first 5. I found the company that made them and there is nothing they could do. They won't make a plastic slave cylinder with a bleed screw. Good luck.

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Howard H.

03-21-2008 20:54:32




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Fudd@work, 03-21-2008 20:18:41  

That's odd you say that about the newer ones, Fudd - the one I just put in on my '94 had a small steel line coming off with a bleed screw with an o-ring under it and a rubber cap that fit over it...

Wonder why they did away with it??

HH



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the tractor vet

03-21-2008 17:38:51




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
when they start that shut it is telling ya that the clutch is getting ready to have the throw out bearing go thru it . When i had my 88 F350 i use to carry a new master cyl. and a slave cyl. behind the seat after she dropkicked me while i had a load on the trailer and i mean a load . Coulde not have happened at a worst time or place during a rush hour at a lite while tryen to make a left turn . there were a bunch of mad people and one state patrolman who would not really help me . SOOOoo to get going i stuffed it into low range first gear turned on the overhead rotary becon and when the lite turned hit the starter and off we went . made the delivery and brought her home with no clutch made for a long two hundred miles tryen to play traffic lites and not stop.

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if bull $hit was...

03-21-2008 17:47:32




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to the tractor vet, 03-21-2008 17:38:51  
music The Tractor Vet would be a brass band.



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Janicholson

03-21-2008 20:22:50




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to if bull $hit was..., 03-21-2008 17:47:32  
You misread your gps and put fertilizer on the wrong crop. it is closer to home. JimN



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Howard H.

03-21-2008 19:46:09




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to if bull $hit was..., 03-21-2008 17:47:32  

Don't know why you are making fun of the tractor vet!

He's right on the mark. I've had to horse my F-250's through plenty of tight spots with little to no clutch to use!!

I know EXACTLY what he means about dodging stop signs, signal lights, and other traffic while trying to limp one home...

I put a quarter million miles on a 1992 F250 and probably had 6 of those slave cylinders put in.

I was told "heat" gets them. I was told "sand" gets them. I was told I was the only one with the problem. I was told everyone has trouble with them and that most pickups these days are only made heavy enough to go pick up the mail...

When my '92 was finally completely worn out, I figured surely Ford had improved them by the '94 models, so I bought one. Boy, was I wrong about Ford fixing the problem!!

I just got through replacing it again a couple of weeks ago. I put this one in myself just to see what is in there that could go wrong. It is just a cheap plastic sleeve that can let sand and grit into the seal that is supposed to seal the brake fluid.

Why in the world they could have just left a mechanical linkage for that, is beyond me!!

I can't speak to the newer models, but I know Ford REALLY had a weak spot there for several years!!

Howard

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Bob

03-21-2008 17:05:29




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 Re: O.T. F350 Clutch Cylinder woes in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-21-2008 17:01:57  
Unless there's fluid running on the ground from the slave cylinder, it sounds like a master cylinder problem.



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