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Gary in TX

03-08-2008 11:20:36




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We need to all consider passing this post onto as many people as we can. Something has got to change here and its got to change quick. Our country is being lead around by its nose by oil producers and fuel producers and we have to take a stand. We are the ones that are being dollared to death by these gas/diesel prices and we can't take much more of it. $2.00 a gallon should be plenty to charge for the super unleaded and $1.80 should be plenty for the regular unleaded. I watched this morning as regular unleaded jumped .10 cents a gallon(overnight). Folks some thing is wrong here;, when are the American people going to say enough is enough.

Subject: Where to Buy Your USA-GAS

I think this is extremely important for all Americans:

WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS

WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON--
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us!

The Saudis are boycotting American goods.

We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.


Nothi n g is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell..... ..... ..... ..... .. 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco..... ...144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil..... ..... ..130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway..117,740,000 barrels
Amoco..... ..... ..... ..... ..62,231,000 barrels

Citgo Gas comes from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans.

Do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (Oil is now $90-$95 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco ..... ..... ... 0 barrels
Conoco..... ..... .... 0 barrels
Sinclair..... ..... .... 0 barrels
BP/Phillips..... .... 0 barrels Hess..... ..... ..... .. 0 barrels
ARC0. ..... ..... ..... 0 barrels Also: Pilot, Flying J, Love's, RaceTrac, Valero

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
And each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
They are importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.

Now, don't wimp out at this point.... Keep reading and I'll
Explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people.

If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... And

Those 300 send it to a t least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. And

So on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people,

We will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!! !

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
Friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it ..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to

10 people. How long would all that take?

If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next eight DA ys!

To have self-respect is everything. Without it, we are nothing but unwilling slaves, at everbody's mercy, especially those who we fear or hold in contempt. Without self-respect, we give ourselves away and make the ultimate sacrifice; WE SELL OURSELVES OUT!!

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Bernhard

03-09-2008 07:58:28




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to hayray, 03-09-2008 07:53:29  
Yep, Gary. We pay more then 6 US$ per gallon for regular and 5,50 US$ per gallon Diesel here in EU.
So I think, some guys over in US really won´t have to complain about high prices for fuel.



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Bill(Wis)

03-09-2008 07:37:18




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Some of the cheapest gas in the country is in New Jersey. And state law requires an operator to pump it for you to boot!!! Answer lies in the state tax.



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john in la

03-09-2008 06:39:11




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
I just want to show you how miss informed you are with one simple fact..... ..

You say Marathon imports 117,740,000 barrels of oil from the middle east so we should not buy from them.

Yet you say that Pilot does not import any and we should buy our gas from them.

Now go to Pilot's web site (pilotcorp.com)and look under about us. You will see that Pilot Travel Centers is 50% owned by Pilot Corp. and 50% owned by Marathon Oil.

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TomTex

03-09-2008 06:06:18




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Gary this might sound good, but it is not workable in any way. The brand sign on a gas station has absolutely nothing to do with what kind/brand/origin of gas that they are selling. One truck goes all over town and fills all the stations. The only part of this that should be done is to stop buying anything from Citgo. I have a ling time ago, when I learned who owned the company. Tom



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Mike M

03-09-2008 05:18:18




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Just another bs email everyone gets to passing around on the internet !

Sinclair !!! LOL they have been out of business for 30-40 years !!!!! They may ? of sold out to Marathon ? I liked their emblem with the picture of a Dinosur on it. We had an old fuel tank with one on it.



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CCer

03-09-2008 05:11:20




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Here in Altoona Pa., there is a fuel loading dock, tankers come from all over Pa. and surrounding states to fill up. No matter what BRAND LABEL is on the tank trailer, they all fill from the same pipe!



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led

03-08-2008 20:24:06




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
If they want us to buy USA, why don't they ever list oil that is produced and refined locally??? Domestic crude (producers & royality owners)are paid 10 to 30% less for their crude than oil in the Middle East thousands of miles accross the sea. As to Oil Companies: Phillips was using 10% ethanol for 30 years and BP's predessor had labels "No ethanol" like it was kill you engine, meanwhile they were using MTBE to get the octane rating!!! This same co. has been fined Alaska pipeline leaks. Also got 17 to 37 people killed in Texas refinery. Again underfunding infastuture problems. I think they using old tech. type tower. Exon trying to get out of fine on Valdieas spill years ago. My 2 cents.

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Leland

03-08-2008 20:17:27




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
your facts are flawed on one ,marathon only uses american crude ,it's brother speedway used imported crude . so I always try to find marathon fuel



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john in la

03-09-2008 06:45:06




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Leland, 03-08-2008 20:17:27  
Speedway is just a station name for the Marathon Corparation. Speedway does not buy oil at all. It is all bought under the Maraton name.

Look at it this way..... ...
Marathon is a oil buyer and refiner.
They sell at the rack level to many brands.
They sell at the station level under the brand of Marathon; Speedway; and Pilot.



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Leland

03-09-2008 15:07:36




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to john in la, 03-09-2008 06:45:06  
but if you check marathon only refines american crude ,and the speedway side of the corp handles the imported stuff .so if you don't want to burn middle eastern crude then buy marathon gas



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flashback

03-08-2008 19:27:00




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
This has been going around the internet for several years. There are so many holes in it. One for instance and at least 3 more. Amoco who buys oild from persian gulf is owned by BP which doesn't. Here is how it goes----I did some work for a local Texaco distributor. We owned 8 tankers that hauled gasoline or diesel fuels for our stations and several small independants in the are. The buyer would arrive for work about 5 AM and call the stations for their reports of gals sold. H would then compile the gallons neede for the day and begin to call the feul depots in Tampa Bay Harbor fuel dock. Each company would then give him the daily price for the required gallons required. Then he would call back and order the cheapest fuel on the market today Most day we bought 12 to 15 8,000 gal loads. All the gas was the same. Sometimes from Conoco Phillips, sometimes Shell, Exxon Marathon, Citgo what ever. Sometimes he could only get 50, 000 or less at that price and had to scramble for the rest. The only thing that separated the gasolines were the additives each retailer order put into the tanker to be sold at this or that station GET THE PIcure. So this is pure nonsense. Only Hess did not do that but sold to others. Jack

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vernMN

03-08-2008 18:26:02




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Arco and Amoco are under BP. Conoco and Phillips are one company, Chevron also now owns Unocal.

Price is based on demand, but also note that the USA has the cheapest prices on both gasoline and deisel compared to European countries, Australia, and Asian countries. China even has higher prices for fuel.

Fuel is not the only use for petroleum. Look at all the others that require petroleum and its by products. To reduce demand means reducing useage on a lot more than fuel.

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Kelly C

03-08-2008 17:28:10




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Sounds good except we use all the oil we buy already. its not like the American producers have extra sitting around. if we demanded more from Sunoco than they can provide they would just import to cure demand.

Its how much we use not who we buy it from.

I agree with your premus though. It is in my opinion a national security issue. When people who dont like us control both our oil supply and our money.

We are at risk now. What if the Chineese dont buy our debt? What if the Arabs cut off our oil? Just plain stupid.
We need to fix both these problems.

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36 coupe

03-08-2008 16:16:58




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
The dictator is sending free heating oil to many states in the US.This subject is eating up band width on the forum.Talk is cheap and oil costs money.I spent 28.00 for gas for my truck in Febraury.US airlines burn 14 millions gallon of fuel every hour in US air space alone.4000 planes in the air at any givin time.Each plane burns 3500 gallons per hour.We are powerless to do anything about the problem.

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Damp;Dservice

03-08-2008 15:19:53




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to MF Poor, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  

D&Dservice said: (quoted from post at 16:08:31 03/08/08) Look, this is how it works, If we continue to pay the price, they will continue to sell the fuel, If you could take your wheat to the elevator name your price, and they were basically forced to pay it, then thats the new standard, everyone else will want a little more and as long as they pay it the price goes up..... ..... ..... ..until someone says the hell with you, i dont want your high priced wheat, pretty soon your dropping your price fast to move that 100,000 bushels you have put away because you planted everyting to it. Bottom line, we have to stop paying the price, the hell with your fuel..... ..... ..... .....but the real question is how! they got us and they know it!!!!! you will never see 1.80 gas again until they are forced to sell it for that . Welcome to the world we live in, us sheeple will price ourselves to death!


It doesnt matter who the supplier is!

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RodInNS

03-08-2008 15:18:59




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
OK, I didn't even read it all this time.
Besides consuming bandwidth on a tractor forum, what are you doing about it all?



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rodgernbama

03-08-2008 15:12:26




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Gary: As long as you have people on here that defend gas companies and the prices, they will stay high. You can't get people to agree that the sun come up this morning anymore. There is plenty of oil and gas on the market. We was told for years that was what controlled the price but as you can see that is not true. They will always have some lame excuse to justify the price.



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jdemaris

03-08-2008 15:10:06




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
As to your statement :

". . . Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis"

#1 - a problem exists with actually knowing who's getting oil from where. You mentioned BP not importing Middle Eastern oil - and that's not true. Your figures might relate to BP American division - but not BP as a corporation. BP does a good job of enhancing their corporate image - but remember they started out as Burmah Oil and Anglo-Iranian Corp. Then British Petroleum, then the new nonsense name of Beyond Petroleum, etc.

#2 problem - i.e. boycotting

The Saudis sell 15% of their oil to the USA - so we're not actually their biggest customer. They don't need us so badly that some small boycott will hurt them. We, as a nation, keep begging them to INCREASE production.

The USA buys a lot of oil from Canada and Mexico - and both have put many limits on goods we try to sell them (as we have to them). How come you're not angry at them?

Mexico sells 92% of their oil to us, and Canada sells 99% - so to them we ARE big customers. I'm not sure if they need us though - I suspect Canada would love to sell elsewhere for more dollars.

The USA buys 18% of its oil from Canada, 15% from Mexico, 12% from the Saudis, 12% from Nigeria, etc. (changes all the time, but these are average figures).

We're dependent on a product that someone else has. And, we're going to fix things by not buying? I don't think so. How about using less instead? Not by boycotting - by becoming more efficient and using different technologies.

You also say that $2.00 a gallon is plenty. Well, it's not our oil, so it's not up to us. That is, unless you believe the price of crude, and the size of finite reserves, has nothing to do with the price of gasoline.

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Tradititonal Farmer

03-08-2008 15:13:30




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to jdemaris, 03-08-2008 15:10:06  
I guess when food goes up he'll starve to teach the grocery stores a lesson(LOL)



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Tradititonal Farmer

03-08-2008 15:08:36




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Buy a mule and ride it around for awhile.That'll teach them a lesson,have 'em shaking in their boots in no time.



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Damp;Dservice

03-08-2008 15:08:31




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Look, this is how it works, If we continue to pay the price, they will continue to sell the fuel, If you could take your wheat to the elevator name your price, and they were basically forced to pay it, then thats the new standard, everyone else will want a little more and as long as they pay it the price goes up..... ..... ..... ..until someone says the hell with you, i dont want your high priced wheat, pretty soon your dropping your price fast to move that 100,000 bushels you have put away because you planted everyting to it. Bottom line, we have to stop paying the price, the hell with your fuel..... ..... ..... .....but the real question is how! they got us and they know it!!!!! you will never see 1.80 gas again until they are forced to sell it for that . Welcome to the world we live in, us sheeple will price ourselves to death!

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thurlow

03-08-2008 14:55:00




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
If we are to just arbitrarily decide how much is "plenty to charge", I suggest .299 for hi-test and .279 for regular; diesel .179. That's what it was when I was a kid and there was a (full service) gas station on every corner. Only thing, who's gonna decide? When I fill up next week, instead of putting the debit card in the machine, I can go inside and tell the (minimun wage) cashier, "I'll give you 18 cents per gallon for a tank full of diesel".

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Vacherie

03-08-2008 13:30:43




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
I pass a Citgo refinery frequently. There are numerous tank trucks loading. One that caught my attention was a Flying J truck. Locally the Flying J sells Conoco brand. The nearby Love's might buy from Citgo since they don't have a local refinery.



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Dave Sherburne NY

03-08-2008 13:07:00




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
I just filled the fuel tank at my house $3.39 per gallon. Talking to the truck driver, he said he waits in line to fill his truck along with some other brands mentioned in your post, and it all comes out of the same pipeline. He also says there
is no such thing as 86 octane gas, thats a bait and switch tactic to get you in the station where
you remember your vehicle takes 87 octane. Go ahead
and buy the 86, its the same thing.

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MSD

03-08-2008 14:23:52




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Dave Sherburne NY, 03-08-2008 13:07:00  
We have most of the suppliers you mentioned here. Thing is, there is only one pipeline terminal for the surrounding area. They all get their gas and fuel out of the same pipeline. I suppose someone would be keeping track of which oil company put how many gallons in the line and that would be all that could go out to its stations. I ususally buy the cheapest as long as it is not at some of the real cut rate places that you don't get any mileage out of.

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Gary in TX

03-08-2008 13:29:34




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Dave Sherburne NY, 03-08-2008 13:07:00  
I would expect a driver to say something like that. I'm not saying that it could not be true but he is looking out for his own pocket and the company faith, you think he wants to loose his job or have hours cut if his particular company looses business? I only know this and perhaps most on this site have a over abundace of money but some of us are just poor ole boys trying to get by and these gas and diesel prices are killing us. Something has to be done and if buying from someone other the Exxon/Mobile or Shell or the others might help get prices down, what the heck is it going to hurt to try. Even some gas out days, just one or two a month. come on guys I know most of us don't buy gas every day of the week, if a company don't make sales for a couple days a month it is going to cut into their bottom line.

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Paul from MN

03-08-2008 12:30:20




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
An interesting idea. Unfortunately the post is not very accurate.

Here is a link to the full story.



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Gary in TX

03-08-2008 12:52:08




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Paul from MN, 03-08-2008 12:30:20  
Oh I guess the snopes.com place has all the answers and they are always right they are probably nothing more than arab immigrants wanting to help the fatherland.



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Ann Oni, MS

03-09-2008 09:06:16




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 12:52:08  
I think when it comes to snopes.com vs just blindly posting something that's apparent you just got from a forwarded email chain letter, Ill take snopes.com thankyouverymuch.



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Super Cranky

03-08-2008 11:49:34




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
I would not take much stock in this info Amoco no longer exists they were bought out by BP quite a few years ago so just how much else is incorrect?



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Walt davies

03-08-2008 11:41:20




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Funny I buy Arco as much as I can because they are the cheapest around these parts.
Here I was doing my part and didn't even know it.
Walt



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bigreddm

03-08-2008 11:29:52




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Just remember when you are filling up and today's prices, the dop-es of nascar are driving in circles all weekend, and during the week practicing to make left turns. talk about wasting fuel. I see you have sunoco not importing from saudi, but yet 2 weekends ago sunoco "donated 8,000 gal of jet fuel to try to dry the track in california. How many gallons does Sunoco donate, or lessen the price to for the conmsumer? Want to talk about banning things, stop supporting the racing industry. Stop putting people in the seats and see what happens.

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rrlund

03-08-2008 11:27:50




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2008 11:20:36  
Here's something you probably don't know,I know I didn't.John Vogel had an article in Michigan Farmer saying that we EXPORTED 437 million BARRELS of finished refined petro products (gas and diesel) in 2007. I'm asuming that was to Canada and Mexico,but the article doesn't say. Doesn't THAT just frost ya?



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KRUSS1

03-08-2008 16:22:21




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to rrlund, 03-08-2008 11:27:50  
Oh right!!!!! !!!!! !!! I wonder when the last time was that the USA lost on a natural resources deal with Canada? Did you ever wonder how much fuel it takes to constantly be at war??



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Animal

03-08-2008 13:13:00




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to rrlund, 03-08-2008 11:27:50  
This whole mess frosts me, but where are the posters that said two weeks ago that the fuel costs were in the ballpark with grain prices?



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JD9295

03-08-2008 12:47:33




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 Re: Where to buy you USA-Gas in reply to rrlund, 03-08-2008 11:27:50  
actually some of it, alot of it, goes back over seas.
they have the oil, just not the refineries needed to produce what they need.



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