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First calf of season-still born

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Texasmark

03-06-2008 15:28:16




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Well that's it. Buy the texture of the placenta it was born in the early morning hours. No indcation as to why it was still born unless it suffocated from placenta over it's nose.Got out there about 8 this morning. Mother had it cleaned up, even though it was dead....don't know when that happened. The !@#$%^ buzzards were already out there whacking it to pieces....let's see Federally Protected Vultures, probably kill 1 in 10 calves around here in birth or within the first 10 days of life; white wing tipped the worst; very aggressive; try to kill it if it is not already dead in calving..... but the almighty feds know all.

Cow is standing there trying to lick life back into it when I got there..... ..how am I going to get rid of it to keep the vultures away from here, being the calving season just started...think....think.....

Got out my Branson with loader and was able to pull it away from her, get it into the loader and take it off where the coyotes (in the creek bottoms) could clean it up. This way I was safe and didn't have to worry about the cow causing me personal harm....which has happened before.

This is in the tractor section since my tractor kept me from injury.

Hopefully the rest of the season will be uneventful.....scratch $600 or so off my income this year.....heck that would have bought me 200 gallons of off road diesel.

Mark

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rrlund

03-07-2008 07:44:25




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I HATE it when that happens. It happened to me 2 years in a row. Both about 2 weeks early. So far so good,shouldn't have any for about another 3 weeks. Maybe HALF of the snow will be gone by then!



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wilsonfire

03-07-2008 07:15:46




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I also started feeding a quality free choice mineral about 5 years ago that has CTC in it. Haven"t had a calving issue since the following spring. I ruthlessly cull heifers with any calving problems maybe thats the real reason. Knock on wood (Does particle board count?) I live in central OKLA and low selinium in the soil is a real problem here. My issue is protection from the momma at working-banding time. That calf bawlin" sures brings them running.

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Texasmark

03-07-2008 06:51:14




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
Thanks for your kind words and advice.

I feed daily , around noon, a bucket of 20% cubes for 6 momma's and a bull plus have a molassesfeed tub (with minerals) and the mineral salt. I keep them used to the bucket as a formality so that when I need them I can call them up and the bucket works every time.

I mentioned the placenta over the nose as I have pulled numerous calves over the years (before I learned to wait for the cervix to expand adequately) and several had their heads covered. Some mamma's got up immediately and started the cleaning process, usually head first, and some just laid on the ground for awhile before they got up. It's those that I worry about.

I have seen over 20 buzzards at a time around here soaring and have chased as many as half dozen off a calf at one time more than once..... hard for a mamma to keep up with that many ducking in and out trying to get a whack at a new born calf.

On what killed your calves around the hay ring, they probably got stomped as one of you guys surmised. I had the same thing happen but it was an abandoned hay pile and the calf was on top of it. Cow that stomped it probably didn't see it in the dark....really hated that as calf was doing real good. So, now I run a couple of flood lights on the feed area at night so that they don't have to stumble around in the dark.

Also, on those calves that like to lie up against the ring they are just a disaster waiting for a time to happen. With the cows pushing and shoving, heads are in the hay so they can't see where they are stepping....

My stomach gets weaker every year and I really have a hard time with the start of the calving season. With all the hard times we have had lately and what it costs to run this operation, I (and probably IRS too) wonder why I do it.

Thanks again for your compassion.

Mark

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dave2

03-07-2008 06:01:22




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I've been away for a long time, but wasn't there a clause that would let you do away with animals that were damaging crops or livestock?



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Mark W.

03-07-2008 05:37:37




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
Up here in NW Pennsylvania we have had a problem w/ coyotes. There is a point where a farmer/rancher needs to protect their investment. I believe I read someone stated that they are protected, vultures that is. If they are attacking livestock their is an inbalance that needs to be remedied. Two fellas, Smith & Wesson, may offer some valuable input, if not, ask Mr. Remington for assistance!



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cj in wisconsin

03-07-2008 05:33:08




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I know the feeling I had one born when it was 25 below zero I warmed it up, even kept it in my truck all night got its belly full, had to bottle feed it for two days before momma let it start sucking, at 1 week it was doing great, running, jumping, eating etc. Came to check on it the next morning couldn't find it, then one of the old big cows stood up and there the poor little thing was. SQUASHED!! Man did that suck.

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banjo

03-06-2008 21:03:38




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I lost one already this season too. never did figure out what happened. It was still alive when i found it up next to the hay ring. i kept it alive for 4 days till i seen it wasnt going to make it and put it out of its misery. only thing i can figure is it got stepped on by another cow being that close to the hay.

i only seen it get up 1 time on its own. all the other times i had to pick it up and tube feed it. even milked the cow out and gave it her milk.

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kyplowboy

03-06-2008 22:59:23




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to banjo, 03-06-2008 21:03:38  
I lost one a few years ago like that. Found it next to a hay ring and you could see the muddy hoof print on it's side. Feeling down it's side you could feel where he was busted up.

Good luck with the rest of'm

Dave



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Tradititonal Farmer

03-06-2008 19:22:56




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
Lack of selenium will cause the placenta to be too tough.Do you feed a good complete mineral?(Not the 'mineral blocks' that are 95% salt) I have Great Pyrenees guard dogs with my goats and some of the cattle they will keep the coyotes out and hate buzzards and stay with the herd 24/7.Also do not confuse herding dogs with guard dogs two totally different things.



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Walt davies

03-06-2008 18:33:39




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
Both of my neighbors have calves I ask my cows every day at feeding time but they just don't pay me no mind.
Walt

The Buzzards haven't arrived up here yet they do keep the place clean of downed animals small and large.



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RayP(MI)

03-06-2008 17:52:56




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
We lost a lovely little angora goat this winter, too weak, and born in the coldest possible conditions. Just breaks your heart. My sympathies. It's far more than the monitary loss.



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kyplowboy

03-06-2008 17:43:53




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I had herd of this and found a calf for a guy I was working for one time that the buzzards had already started on and it was still warm, but did not belive it till I saw it,,,, Was at the house one day and herd a cow have'n a fit, you know that real low bawl that lets you know something is really wrong. Grabed the 6mm wrench and some brass bolts and went to see what was going on. New born calf on the ground try'n to get up. 3 buzzards try'n to get it with the cow dance'n round the calf. Two flew off. I took the cow a five gallon bucket of water, don't know how long she had been fight'n them things but she was bout to fall over.


As for the start of your calve'n season, sounds like mine. I am not figure'n on started for about another 6 weeks, did have one aborted two weeks ago durring the ice storm.

Hope you have good luck with the rest of'm.

Dave

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DickL

03-06-2008 15:56:31




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 Re: First calf of season-still born in reply to Texasmark, 03-06-2008 15:28:16  
I am not a Dummycrat but I still feel your pain.
The vultures need thinning out in most places.



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