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OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house

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Kent in KC

02-25-2008 13:12:18




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Kyhayman and a couiple others have asked me about this house so I thought I'd take a minute to summarize how we built an energy efficient home for not that much money. That is to say, a 3,500 sq ft Spanish style all stucco ranch for $375,000. Even if you build smaller, cheaper or bigger, you may pick up some ideas, it never hurts to learn whjat others have tried.

After lots of research, we looked at Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF) and Structural Insulated Panels (SIP). Both offer real attractive benefits but are, of course, more expensive up front than traditional stick built homes. We decided to go with stick construction and built the house of 2"x6" walls and a 12" thick roof.

We insulated with Icynene in the walls and under the roof sheathing. Notice we did not insulate the attic, but the underside of the roof. The idea is to keep the heat and cold out of the attic.

We insulated the concrete basement floor with 2" rigid foam but not the basement walls. Reason: radiant hot water tubing in the basement floor, thus the insulation. However, in the summer the cool walls keep the basement nice.

Upstairs floors use Warmboard radiant flooring (hot water). It is like a 1.25" subfloor with channels routed in it for the PEX tubing and alum sheeting to radiate the heat up. Radiant heat is far superior and cheaper than forced air. It doesn't dry everything out, doesn't promote air infiltration, doesn't require furnace filters and justs feels warmer since it warms the floor, the furniture, the walls, etc. You can actually feel the heat 'shining' up from the floor. We love that warm bathroom tile floor on a cold winter morning. There is no forced air furnace.

We selected a large (105-gal) Polaris super insulated elec water tank becuse we have lots of kids and the elec coop provided it free. We installed most of a solar hot water heating system too before we ran out of money for the year. We now have two superinsulated 40-gallon hot water storage tanks, a computerized regulator (controls pumps that circulate the heated anti-freeze fromthe collectors through the heat exchangers in the tanks) and 1" copper tubing up from the basement, where the equipment is, to the roof.

All we need to install this year is the solar panel themselves and we'll have nearly free hot water. Hot water (for showers, washing machines, etc.) is typically the second largest energy demand in a home, behind HVAC.

We put in an 'attic' fan which blows out through an insulated shaft to vents on the roof (since the attic is not vented). So, with the attic fans, ceiling fans in every room and the cooling tubes (more on that in a minute) we can delay running the air conditioner until well into the summer.

Good Andersen windows and fiberglass doors keep the wind out. We siliconed every joint and crack before they closed up the walls and ceiling.

We put most of our glass on the South for passive solar gain and oriented the house SSE about 10 degrees east of dead south. That shades the south wall in the afternoon but lets the sun in in the morning. Having no windows on the West wall keeps the summer sun out.

We hung the roof over about 24" all around the house to shade the windows in the summer but let the sun shine in in the winter when the sun is lower in the sky. With those wide overhangs you can also keep the windows open during mild weather rains without it dripping in.

We had the elec coop calculate the HVAC loading exactly based on the sq ft, appliances, occupants, windows, ceiling height, etc. They came up with an AC of 2.5 tons versus the contractor's estimate of 3.5 tons (for a 3,500 sq ft house). Not only do we save money on the AC unit but also on the cost to operate. An oversized AC cycles on and off too much, wasting energy. The name of the game is to run the AC at a steady pace, so don't oversize the unit. Very important to get a computer calculated loading, usually free from your elec utility and, again, don't oversize the AC.

We located the AC vents in the ceiling (instead fo the floor) on one side of the room (above the windows) and the return air ducts in the ceiling on the opposite side of the room, so the cool air flows down (instead of trying to push it up), crosses the floor and forces the hot air out the other side of the room. This eliminated stratification where the lower part of the room is cool and the upper part of the room (where the thermostat is) is warm. Thus, again, the AC cycles less. We have no hot spots.

When we cleared the land we left trees along the west side to shade the soil and shield us from the harsh afternoon sun. Trees along the north knock down the winter clippers. We cleared a rise on the east in case we ever decide to put in a wind generator.

I left wall space in the garage for a wall-mounted solar air heater (a bathroom fan forces air from the garage floor out through the south wall into a black-painted 2"x4"x8' glazed box and back in near the ceiling. I haven't got er done yet but guys that have say it'll run you out of 1,000 sq ft.

As it is, without heating it, my three car garage with good windows and south glass stays about 50F all the time during the winter. A garage space heater (propane) heats it up to 70 in about an hour when I want to work out there.

About the only really unconventional thing we did was the Earth Cooling Tubes. (See my article on Wikipedia.com). We trenched six cheap 4" plastic sewer pipes 150' from the basement to the hillside in the trees. The trench varies from about 8 feet deep to gradually three feet before exiting. Inside the basement we put a plenum for the tubes to collect in and installed a simple furnace blower (squirrel cage), hypoallergenic filter and ducts to each room. Whatever the temperature outside, the air sucked into the house by the blower is about 60 in the winter and maybe 65-70 in the summer. That's a difference of 20-40 degrees more moderate from the extremes outside. It's like cave air.

There's a plastic Tupperware garage wall cabinet I got at Lowes and cored holes in for the tubes to open out into. I cored holes in the cabinet doors and mounted HVAC grills on them to let air in and put a stainless steel washable furnace filter in front of the tube mouths to keep pollen and critters out. The tubes run slightly downhill so as hot summer air enters the cool tubes and condeneses, the moisture runs out the outboard end, providing a little dehumidification, too.

So, this morning it was about 30 degrees out. I made bacon and, in a supertight house, that smell would linger for days. I flipped on the cooling tube blower and within an hour the house was all fresh air. The air coming out of the registers in the floor was 62F (I checked) but did not cool the house down since the house itself is heated, not the air (radiant vs. forced air). The old air exhausts out the various baffled openings for bathroom fans, cooktop exhast fan, dryer vent, etc. (No house is truly tight, they all have vents).

The rationale is that it is easier to heat or cool air that comes in at 60-70 degrees than air that infiltrates in at 20-100 degrees. Every house needs makeup air to replace what escapes when you run the clothes dryer, the bathroom fans, cooktop exhaust, fireplace or just opening doors. That air will either leak in around your windows, etc. (infiltration) or, if your house is too tight, the fumes, germs odors and chemicals of daily living will stay there and might actually make you sick. The cooling tubes provide managed makeup air by pre-conditioning outside air to earth temperature.

Of course, we bought all Energy Star appliances and compact flourescent lights (excepts the one I put on dimmers for mood lighting - ooh la la).

Was it worth it? I think clearly so. Our electric bill during the hottest month last year was $180. Our last electric bill was $400+ but I'm also running livestock water tank deicers, pet house heating pads (don't get me started on cats), lights at my front gate and a lot more compressors, power equipment, chargers, etc. than I ran during the summer. Note we have a propane tank for cooking, fireplace starter and garage supplemental heat . We filled the 500 gal tank last July and it still shows 80% full.

I learned that when you build your new house you need to spend a few months researching. God bless Google. Get some books on energy efficiant home design. Plan your own house and the technologies you want and try to stick to it.

Your builder and his subs will often try to talk you out of things they are not familiar with. They like making houses the way they always make them, its quicker and cheaper for them, even if it ends up costing you more in the long run. Stick to your guns, innovate a little and you'll be glad you did. Your energy costs will be low and your home value will soar in these troubling years to come.

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Jim in N M

02-26-2008 08:17:50




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
Did I miss something here, What are you using for a boiler? is it electric or propane?. When I built my new home I used a Propane boiler with seven thermostats on nine zones,so I can control any rooms I want too. I'd never want any kind of heating system again. Jim in N M



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Kent in KC

02-26-2008 11:58:09




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Jim in N M, 02-26-2008 08:17:50  
Jim, we used an electric hot water tank and set it up with three zones: basement, upstairs North and upstairs South.



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Steven f/AZ

02-26-2008 06:17:21




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
Don't take this as poking at you, but do you have a need for 3500 sq feet? Just curious how many people you have in the family.

We just built a 1447 sq ft house here in AZ - cost $100 per square foot. If we would have wanted extra covered patio it runs $35 sq ft, garage runs $50 sq ft. This is stick built stucco with concrete tile roof, fiberglass insulated 2x6 exterior walls and R-38 blown in the attic. All electric, no gas, no fireplace - I don't know if that is the smartest way to go, but I'm hoping it turns out to be safer due to no open flames, etc.

Pics here: Link

I know what everyone is saying about contractors not willing to step out of their comfort zone... I wanted solar water heater and they said they won't work here - I pushed the issue and it turned into, "our plumber won't do it, no warranty if it's done by another plumber." There were other areas that I wanted something unconventional and they wouldn't do it, too.

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Kent in KC

02-26-2008 12:00:37




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Steven f/AZ, 02-26-2008 06:17:21  
A family of seven, of which five are teenagers (two have since flown the coop). Yikes! So, we declared the downstairs a war zone and put em all down there.



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bill mart

02-26-2008 00:07:49




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
In regard to the buried pipes for make-up air, are the pipes perforated and is the ground porous enough for air to be constantly flowing in to the house? Just trying to get this figured out in my head. bill m.



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Kent in KC

02-26-2008 12:05:12




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to bill mart, 02-26-2008 00:07:49  
No, Bill, the pipes are solid. The open ends of the pipes are 150 feet from the house, so we suck air in from there (through screens and a filter). The soil around the buried pipes moderates the temp of the air before it gets to the house. I understand this has bben used for many years by ranchers and farmers for stock barns. dami8el Boone's cabin had a tunnel to his barn (for wintertime access to the livestock) through which the [prevailing summer wind caused a cool breeze to blow into the cabin. Some homes in the 1800s took advantage of the higher pressure air along a ridge to similarly channel air through a tunnel to 'air condition' the house.

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Howard H.

02-25-2008 19:58:29




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  

Sure appreciate the information! Been kicking around ideas on maybe building a house before too long...

Must have taken you a while to type all that! :)


Thanks!
Howard



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kyhayman

02-25-2008 16:00:28




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
Thanks for adding that information. You have really given me a wealth of ideas. The price pleasently surprised me. 100 dollars a square foot is pretty typical for stick built around here and it looks like yours came in for about that yet with fantastic energy savings.

I'm still pretty up in the air about what Im going to do long term. Looking at 1600-1800 square feet in an open floor plan if I do build. Of course I may end up inheriting a nice house in a few years and that makes me hesitate to sink all of my capital into a house. I like the idea about bringing in the tempered air, thats a really good idea.

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Mark - IN.

02-25-2008 15:41:52




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 Going to need to be energy efficient in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
I talked to Mom last night, and she was angry about something she saw on Glenn Beck that is said if it passes, will spread across the nation.

Apparently in California, there is a proposal that in at least new homes, the thermostats will be controlled by government types driving by. If they decide you need to run cooler in the winter, they turn you down remotely. If you need to run warmer in the summer, they dial you up remotely. And if you tamper with it...you're in trouble and fined. So, I googled quickly and found a hit on it, and posting a link. I'm sure could delve further into it and find out more specifics.

News out of Illinois is that a group is trying to ban wood burners, fireplaces, and the likes. Are talking about it on the news right now as I type. Trying to pass it in some town called Elkgrove Village. Natural gas or freeze according to these guys.

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730virgil

02-25-2008 17:58:40




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 Re: Going to need to be energy efficient in reply to Mark - IN., 02-25-2008 15:41:52  
it's true same jerk that started no smoking in bars and restaurants has now decided his neighbors wood stove gives him a headache. so he wants to pass law no one in li can burn wood. i bet he ownes stock in com-ed (electric) or ni-cor (gas) company. elk grove village is in chicago area. the gov type from that area seem to have no sense or care less what is good for state of il. both houses in state goverment and governer are from cook county and chicago area. i'm thinking 3/4 of state has very little to say about what happens in il as most votes are controlled by few in coller counties

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Mark - IN.

02-25-2008 15:53:00




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 Holy cow!!! It's true, I guess. in reply to Mark - IN., 02-25-2008 15:41:52  
Based upon the link I posted above and PCT's in California, I tried another Google. I simply typed in " mandatory pct thermostats in california " and let google do its thing and got a gazillion hits. Yep, its true and folks aint happy. Hope it don't spread like cancer, but...

Guess I'm glad I've got 6x6's stuffed to the gills and several inches in the ceiling. But, I'm propane too. Them guys had better not think about looking at my tank or thermostats (2 furnaces, 2 fireplaces). I am the wholey single source of global warming, I guess.

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comfortking

02-25-2008 16:56:33




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 Re: Holy cow!!! It's true, I guess. in reply to Mark - IN., 02-25-2008 15:53:00  
Most likely Ale GHore and his buddies. I heard on radio Sat. That while Ale is flying around the country in his 600 gal per hour jet telling people they need to cut back on energy, his house is using 17 times the energy as any normal house. We an not afford ourselves much longer. I live in Il and we as a state can not pay our bills now we do not need more laws we need less. Has the whole world gone bonkers?

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Mark - IN.

02-25-2008 17:29:17




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 Re: Holy cow!!! It's true, I guess. in reply to comfortking, 02-25-2008 16:56:33  
Is a funny thing. Read one of the google hits, california energy type said were taking it off the table "for now" in January to be talked about later. I just talked to Mom yesterday, and she either saw Glenn Beck yesterday or Saturday, so I guess now must be later. First I've heard of it. Been hearing about the anti-wood burners in Illinois all day.



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sbin

02-25-2008 18:23:36




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to jdemaris, 02-25-2008 15:37:54  
Sounds like you have done some real interesting work!
I would enjoy pictures or more details.We are prepairing to build on our property now.This years work will be on barn,geothermal field and road.Solar will be a year or two but will be reading, buying and buring wiring soon. I am very interested in practical solar experience!



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Vern-MI

02-25-2008 15:18:37




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
Did you put the 6" outside wall studs on 16 or 24 inch centers.

I have been in a styrofoam/concrete house and they are very quiet, almost erie quiet, and very comfortable in both Summer and Winter. They also don't have the carpet soot problem at the base of the interior walls from outside air infiltration. I just wonder about insects and other vermin getting into the styrofoam.



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Ken Macfarlane

02-25-2008 14:26:07




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 13:12:18  
One thing I will disagree with at least in a colder climate, is you always need to insulate basement walls. If on the outside, at least the top part which is exposed and the part in contact with frozen ground (4 ft deep in our area). If you insulate inside, have to go the whole way down since the exposed outside area will strip heat out of the whole wall.



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Kent in KC

02-25-2008 15:28:24




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 02-25-2008 14:26:07  
Vern, we built it on 16" centers. Ken, I can't disagree with insulating the upper part of the basement walls, especially the part exposed to the outside. That could help even in the summer. But, I still like the idea of not insulating the lower part at least of the basement walls since it tends to moderate the temperature. Nothing like a cool basement family room in the summer.

BTW, we only put one AC outlet in the basement and it does well, except for one bedroom on the Southwest corner where the sun beats on the exposed basement wall. I should have insulated it, you're right, and maybe put an AC vent there too.

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Ken Macfarlane

02-26-2008 05:16:44




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 Re: OT: Tricks we used in our energy efficient house in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 15:28:24  
Its all to do with average ground temperatures. It freezes 4 ft deep here and is cold much deeper than that so we have to. You can spend a lot of $ trying to change the temp the ground wants to be!



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