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mitch furness

02-18-2008 11:49:34




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Is this an issue for you guys in the US?

We here in Australia now have each animal electronically ID, pain the neck to do at start but seems to be working out well.

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Mitch




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T_Bone

02-19-2008 05:32:28




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
I was just researching bar code readers and ran into some info that Bush in 2005 got congress to pass a national data base bill where all animals could be electronicly tagged and logged. Apparently the data base is done and is working. Kanas City??? I can't remember :(

The RFD electronic chip is the size of a grain of rice and injected under the skin. The chip is engerized by when the chip passes thru a magnetic field that can be read from 100ft distance.

Another type of chip contains a battery that gets a recharge from the magentic field that can be read from 300ft away.

There goal, no spec's yet, is to read them from satellite.

There also considering interanlly chipping all human new borns but there getting alot of heat on that one. Baby's are tagged externaly now.

They've got the cost down to where even a small company can afford the implant chips for humans. They did pass a Fed law where a employee has the right to refuse to be chipped internaly but can't not refuse the satellite tacking chip on employee ID tags.
The employee external ID tracking is nothing new as when I was in the hospital in 2000 they where tacking the employees and patients via ID "paper" tags.

Wal-mart and Target are both pushing for ID tags in cloths so they can "customize" a persons shopping experience (so they say). The tags are woven into the fabric strands and are washable. The tags can hold enough info some what like the credit/ATM cards do now.

T_Bone

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Drill

02-18-2008 15:57:49




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
In Canada all cattle have to have an electronic ear tag that is registered to the owner before they can leave your yard. Cost about $4.00 a head.



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Nancy Howell

02-18-2008 15:26:42




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
Don"t know all the ins & outs of NAIS, but what I"ve have heard I don"t like. We don"t have cattle, but do have horses. They are not food animals, but I still will be required to register my animals and both our farm in E. Tx and our small 3 acre place s. of Dallas. Some say registering the horses is good, others say PETA is behind it. PETA thinks horses should be pasture ornaments and never ridden, etc. Personally, I dislike the gov sticking its nose in my business.

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730virgil

02-18-2008 15:16:37




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
this beef recall mess in ca is going to help push this id stuff along. mi has problem with brucellosis almost impossible to bring cow or bull to il from there don't ask how i know. i would guess that why id is being pushed in mi.
just another way to get more government in our lives.



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paul

02-18-2008 13:54:20




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
There was going to be an enforced program called NAIS here in the USA to allow traceback within 48 hours.

Lot of small outfits opposed it as it was due to be enforced & it was turned into a volinteery program, which is worthless if not everyone is in.

As others say, some states put it into place already.

COOL will be coming soon too.

--->Paul



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bellyacre

02-18-2008 13:34:17




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
I custom feed cattle for Japanese export. Age and origin verification is required an all of these cattle. Not a serious issue for me as I am only involved in the finishing end. Most of the identification work is done at the calf farm. I just need to keep on file the verification papers issued to me from the calf farm and verification of all cattle shipped to packer or death loss.Feedlot must be certified by USDA which is basically more paper. Lot of paper involved but most is handled by the owners of the cattle. Just like any other American business, it takes more people to do the paper work than it does to produce the product. I guess thats what keep the unemployment rate under control.

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rrlund

02-18-2008 13:02:32




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
It's the law here in Michigan. I can't for the life of me figure out what all the resistance is about. We tag the calves when they are born,make sure they haven't come out when we ship them. The end. They cost us 2 dollars each.Wow,that's rough.There are all kinds of new technologies coming out that let us use these tags for our own personal use,readers on scales,readers in dairy operations,more coming every day. Why not get dual use from a technology that is only going to help us in the world market?

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BLinWMi

02-18-2008 14:25:42




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to rrlund, 02-18-2008 13:02:32  
yea,its all fine and dandy, but try being a dairyman milking Jerseys. Sell calves to Ravenna that go for 5 to 10 dollars and 2 of it goes for stinking ear tags. By the time you pay to have the calves trucked to the sale barn, then pay commission, a guy might as well hit them on the head and bury them out back. I don't agree with the logic but the state shouldn't have the right to do this, no more than they should have the right to require dogs to have liscenses. Whats next make us pay for liscences for barn cats because they will want to trace what farm the distemper came from. I agree there is some good that can come from the ear tags but I am not sure it is worth it.

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36 coupe

02-19-2008 04:38:57




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to BLinWMi, 02-18-2008 14:25:42  
Over the years Ive raised a few jersey calves for milk cows and steers for the freezer.Not the best meat production.A lot of jersey calves were killed that could haved been raised for milk around here.I dont keep a milk cow now,too much milk for my wife and I.It seems to me that a bred jersey heifer would bring a lot more sold to some one wanting a milk cow.Milk is 5.00 a gallon here.I may look for a Jersey this spring.As for NIAS its being pushed by Cargill.I avoid Nutrena grain for this reason.The big feed lots are exempt.While this is being pushed for health and saftey but I think its purpose is to eliminate the small livestock producer.

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Nebraska Cowman

02-18-2008 12:14:42




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
We are working on a program in this country called "locate in 48" which is supposed to be 48 hr traceback. Right now we have a voluntary premise number program in place but no electronic implant. If a producer keeps good animal records using ear tag numbers and if all cattle are sold with a recorded premise origin number it would be very easy to trace and isolate problems. The part I get a kick out of is the registration board advertising on the radio that the premise number is "the right thing to do to PROTECT YOUR HERD" well, Ha Ha, it's to protect my neighbors herd cuz if theres a problem mine is gonna be quarantined. And I would be much more concerned about Hoof and Mouth disease than Mad Cow. There are trucks every day loaded with cattle that pass by my farm. One diseased animal with the right weather conditions could spread Hoof and Mouth to my herd.

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Dick L

02-18-2008 12:04:21




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to mitch furness, 02-18-2008 11:49:34  
It is mandatory in Michigan and voluntary in Ohio as well as Indiana. My one Grand son is a cattle hauler and my one Grand daughter helps some with the reading and recording for some Amish in Southern Michigan. I don't know about other states. He is about to start making runs to Oklahoma and I am sure he is up to date on what states are calling for what. I have not ask him though. It will probably come to all states soon. It is a form of revenue that they can call something other than taxes and get away without an all out fight in the courts.

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Bendee [in Oz]

02-19-2008 04:02:03




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 Re: electronic trace back for cattle in reply to Dick L, 02-18-2008 12:04:21  
you will find anything voluntary won't work,wait awhile and it will become mandatory and if they don't have a tag at the saleyard they won't be sold.Just give it time, and then goats,pigs,sheep etc will follow..We are told it is being pushed by the countries buying the meat.



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