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Truth seeker

02-05-2008 11:13:21




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Hi!
We lost the hayfields that we had been doing for the past number of years, and now I'm in the market for other fields. There is currently no way for me to buy a field. so it looks like I'll be cutting on other people's fields.

What is commonly done around here is the land owner gets 1/3 and the 2/3 goes for cutting the hay. However, I know that some landowners don't have animals to feed hay to, so what would the right rental price be? We're in WV so most fields can have some good slopes, and they are either next to a creek or on top of a hill.

We're also doing small square bales so for doing shares, it would be easier handling them. (and no we're not horse owners!) ;)

How does the hay get split up for shares in your area? On the assumption that a majority of y'all cut hay, I'd be interested in finding out what you think is fair and also what you find actually works best.


Thanks for your time!

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dave2

02-07-2008 16:15:52




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Keith-OR, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  

Truth seeker said: (quoted from post at 13:41:19 02/07/08) Hi!
Sorry Dave if I ruffled your feather, I assure you That wasn't my intent!

As for the question as to who the issues are with, It's not the people, it's not the horses, it's the attitude of SOME people who refuse to feed their horse anything but the best hay, but they'll take your hay off of your hands for a song. and they will want it delivered because they don't want their new truck dirtied. But as I said it's only SOME people who do that, and that spoils everything for any other horse owners.


Not at all.... I was only curious. I see some pretty difficult people myself. As far as quality of the hay, I look for the best to and will take it for a song if that's what folks are asking for it. My truck's ugly. so I pick up my own :shock: :P
The trend over here is, if you ride English, you have a Jack Russel Terrier, Western is an Australian Sheperd. We have the Sheperds and sell puppies now and then and have a Stallion that we offer. You should see what shows up here sometimes.

Thanks for clearing it up.

Dave

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Tom in Mich

02-06-2008 07:01:27




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
I have been cutting hay (grass) on my 3 neighbor's fields for years. I use part of the hay and sell the rest giving them 40% of the sales. Most of the hay is sold off the fields with regular customers picking up their own. I buy all the fertilizer and fertilize each field everyother year. One neighbor I knew since I was a kid, lets us cut the hay for free, but we always give him and his wife a gift certficate for $50 at Christmas.

Tom

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dave2

02-06-2008 06:48:38




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to IH2444, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  

Truth seeker said: (quoted from post at 12:13:21 02/05/08) (and no we're not horse owners!) ;)



I see this quite a bit... reminds me of the old westerns and the attitude towards sheep. Is the issues with the horses or the people that keep them? I don't have problems myself (we raise horses), but some of the folks we sometimes deal with complain about being treated different. We usually use these complaints as a sign that we need to stop dealing with these people. Just curious what the problems are so we can avoid making the same mistakes.

Thanks, Dave

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Truth seeker

02-07-2008 12:41:19




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to dave2, 02-06-2008 06:48:38  
Hi! Sorry Dave if I ruffled your feather, I assure you That wasn't my intent!

As for the question as to who the issues are with, It's not the people, it's not the horses, it's the attitude of SOME people who refuse to feed their horse anything but the best hay, but they'll take your hay off of your hands for a song. and they will want it delivered because they don't want their new truck dirtied. But as I said it's only SOME people who do that, and that spoils everything for any other horse owners.

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36 coupe

02-06-2008 05:03:52




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
I get some hay from a friends small field. I will plow his garden in return.Even if you get the hay for free,a small cash payment to the land owner is a good idea.



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Hal (WA)

02-05-2008 22:05:22




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
In my area, there are lots of small plots that could be cut for hay that never get cut or even pastured. I have brush hogged a few for friends, usually repaying old favors when they helped me out in years gone by.

I am guessing that at least some of these plots could be hayed for free, since the owners are not doing anything with the ground, and it looks much better if the vegetation is cut down. The real farmers around the area don't want to be bothered messing with 4 or 5 acre fields.

If I was going to try to do this kind of haying, I would have a written contract signed beforehand. And I would carefully walk the field to see if there was anything to worry about hitting when I brought my machinery in to cut the hay. If I was going to make any improvements to the field, like planting alfalfa or fertilizing, I would want the contract to be multi-year. If it already was nice hay, I might even be willing to pay some per acre.

My area used to be reasonable sized farms, but over the last 30 years, most of the farms have been subdivided into much smaller acreages. Most people who have 10 acres figure out pretty fast that it wouldn't pay to have a bunch of money invested in equipment, so their land just sits there going to weeds.

If your area is this way, you might want to talk to neighbors that are not having their ground hayed or otherwise cultivated. You might find that some of them would let you hay for next to nothing. Good luck!

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RodInNS

02-05-2008 20:33:15




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
Depends on where you're at I guess... Around here, if they pester us long enough we'll cut it so it doesn't start pushing spruce bushes on them. The rent is the fact that if it doesn't remain in cultivation (the absence of said spruce bushes), they pay tax on those acres. Cultivated = No property tax.
We don't pay rent. We don't crop share. We look after the land and we take the crop...
Their choice. Trees or no trees...

Rod

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kyhayman

02-05-2008 13:11:25




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
I farm in two adjoining counties and it really varies as to which one you are in. In one county with more farmers and livestock its a 50/50 split with the land owner furnishing fertilizer and lime. In the other where there are more landowners than farmers its at least 1/3-2/3 with the 1/3 to the landowner (and he furnishes lime and fert). In a lot of cases its an even better deal than that. Unfertilized ground normally the guy cutting it gets it all to mow it. A few people even let you have the hay and pay you to do it (if less than 10 acres I charge 150 to move my equipment there).

As to buying the share, thats usually at or slightly better than fair market value. I do some custom work in the county where I live and have a guy do 60 acres of mine on a 50-50 split in the other with him buying my half of the 2-5th cuttings.

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cj in wisconsin

02-05-2008 13:04:16




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
In northern Wi we bale it just to keep the land on ag taxes, but I always offer 25 percent, some have horses and take it others are just happy to save taxes and keep land looking good.



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John H in MD

02-05-2008 12:26:38




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
I take the hay for the mowing and they keep their Ag assesment. I pay for fertilizer and lime. There are people who want a few bales so they help with costs. I"m making round bales, so horse people aren"t interested in big bales that tip their lawn tractors.



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Mike (WA)

02-05-2008 12:12:24




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
If the landowner doesn't want hay and you do, buy his share at fair market value "in the field". If neither of you want the hay, sell it all and split the money according the share agreement.



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IaGary

02-05-2008 12:05:57




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 Re: Cutting hayfields for others in reply to Truth seeker, 02-05-2008 11:13:21  
Here in Iowa where the hay yields are good and most is alfalfa mix, the hay is split 50/50.

The land owner gets half for owning the land and the renter takes the other half for providing all the machinery and labor.

Years ago before the round bales we we would load the landlords bales on a rack but he was required to unload his half himself.

After the big bales came in we most often bought the landlords half at fair market value or he kept his half and we put them where he wanted them. Some we still put his share on racks for him in small squares.

Gary

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