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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 12:44:46

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Bought Massy 255, Hydro seemed st studder when raised so I figure the fluid is low, I couldnt find the tranmission dip stick and could not see the oil level soo I added oil until i could see the fluid about 1 inch down in the case,aprox 10 gal, the next am found fluid lake over the ground leakin out of the hidden dip stick.. but now clutch slipping,pto slipping I lowered level but how do I clean the oil off the clutchs or will It clean Itself DA Dummy

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Floyd A tn

01-05-2008 18:32:58

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to 36 coupe, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

I agree with mf poor.. I don't see how fluid could get to the clutch unless there is a bad seal..

Some of the 135 diesels will leak oil from the engine on the clutch through the rear main seal, but nothing from the hydraulics.

Drain the trans down to regular operating range.. Leave inspection plate off the bottom of the clutches. Spray various amounts of brake cleaner on the clutches and then drive it around for a little bit.. Spray more brake fluid and watch for the brake fluid to be clear when it comes out the plate.

Also watch for more fluid to come out the bottom where the inspection plate has been removed.. If more oil comes out, you may need to replace the front trans seal..
Hope this helps.

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MF Poor

01-05-2008 16:28:00

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

I'm scratching my head as to how the oil ended up in the bellhousing, even with a major over-fill of the hydraulic sump/tranny/rear end. POSSIBLY, does that tractor have MultiPower? I'm thinking either the MP front seal OR tranny input shaft seal might be leaking into the bellhousing. That may be why the hydraulic oil was way low to begin with.

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Don-Wi

01-05-2008 16:24:38

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

Sounds like ya found the dipstick then? If not it's at your right heel, in the plate that's bolted to the side of the transmission. You might be able to take off the plate on the bottom of the bellhousing and spray some brake cleaner up in there, but as the others say an oiled clutch disk isn't good and probably should be replaced.

My brother and I pulled the engine outta his 550 today to put in the new crankshaft, and found that his clutch disc is well oiled as well. Not sure where it's coming from yet, but we'll be sure to find out before reassembly.

Donovan from Wisconsin

FYI: I think the transmission should hold somewhere around 8-9 gallons. That's about what out 165 holds and it should be similar in size to that. Not sure what out 285 holds, but I'm sure its a couple more gallons.

Also, make sure it's a hydraulic/transmission fluid, not just hydraulic oil. Massey's aren't as fussy as some other makes, but I've heard plenty of guys say that the massey's just don't seem quite right when using anything other than MF's Perma-Tran III fluid in their multi-power tractors. We've never used anything but, so I can't say. We use the same oil in our Oliver's hydraulic systems as well, just for convenience sake.

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37 chief

01-05-2008 16:09:26

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

A oil soaked isn't good. Does the clutch have it's own sealed case? Here is what my manual recommends to clean the clutch on my AC Model M. It says to fill the clutch cavity with gasolene. and operate the for a short the drain the gas. I don't think I would use gasolene. but a solvent should work. If the T/O bearing isn't lubed from the outside don't do this, as it will remove the grease from the beraring.I think it would be worth a try. I have done this on my stearing clutches, and it worked good. Stan

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ric1

01-05-2008 15:37:27

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

my dad always told me if you dont make mistakes during your life you are not learning anything . thats what i always look back on when i goof up. which seems to be alot lately.RICK

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kyhayman

01-05-2008 15:37:15

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

It happens. We all have those, duh moments. Mine was pressurized oil coming out around the starter.

What I've found is once they get oil soaked, the friction discs have to be replaced. They may not slip much but even a little slipping puts a lot of heat into the flywheel and pressure plate.

My advice, for what its worth, is to go ahead and split it at the clutch. Send yours out for relining the transimission and PTO clutch discs, get the pressure plates checked, reface the flywheel, put in new throwout bearings and chock it up to experience.

Cost to me for that lesson would have been 275 for the clutch job (it was a single stage clutch) and a weeks experience splitting the tractor but I tried to 'dry them out' and ended up ruining the flywheel. Should be about a 450 lesson on the two stage.

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bdz

01-05-2008 14:56:56

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

is a 1947 farmall h a positive or negative ground

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Matt in WA

01-05-2008 13:47:55

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

I agree with you Ken; we all make mistakes. Don't know the answer to your question, but hopefully someone on here will. Good Luck, and let us know how it works out?

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Unclemerle

01-05-2008 13:47:24

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

Ken

Drain the system completely and let set for about a week with the plugs pulled. Then re-install the plugs and fill to the low side of the operating range on the dip stick. Now try to operate the tractor it might work and might not but let us know what happens then. Yes crap happens but use it as a learning experiance. Plus go to the Massey site and ask Big Dean He is good with the Massey's. Also try to find an operators Manual for it. ebay is a great place to find manuals.

Good Luck
Merle

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 13:54:15

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Unclemerle, 01-05-2008 13:47:24

I found big dean right after my post and fired off an e-mail to him but no resopnse yet, he may be laughing so hard he cant reach the puter yet, IM a Master plumber and exercise good judgement 99% of the time .... this was just one of those moments that remind me I human, humble, and humorious. Aint we all

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Unclemerle

01-05-2008 14:56:18

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:54:15

When I was a Kid we had a 44 Massey that leaked oil on the clutch. Dad sent me out to disk a field with it said don't come home till you burn all the oil out of the clutch. It worked but boy did it stink and smoke.

Merle

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Dave H (MI)

01-05-2008 12:53:23

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 12:44:46

OK...ready for a "thank you , Captain Obvious" moment? This is the reason I buy the manual before I start fertin around with the expensive to repair toy. Sometimes I buy the manual before I buy the equipment.

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Joe in MN.

01-05-2008 13:12:51

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-05-2008 12:53:23

Good to see there still are ( A FEW ) out there -- with some common sense --- always read the instructions before applying the hand.

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 13:30:14

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Joe in MN., 01-05-2008 13:12:51

LOOK PEOPLE the defintion of experience is the ability to recognise a mistake when you make it again so if anyone who has made a mistake or two and has something constructive to add please do If you just want sit on the fence post and kackle dont bother Ken

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ErnieDD

01-05-2008 14:44:08

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:30:14

good judgement comes from experience
experience comes from bad judgement

a plumber once told me that there nothing I broke
trying to do my own plumbing that he could not fix
with my money. have not looked back since then

it will all work out, sooner or later

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Dave H (MI)

01-05-2008 14:34:22

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:30:14

Sorry Ken, wasn't a poke at you personally and I don't know why you would take it that way. Just a comment that I thought needed to be made. All you have is an oily clutch but other people lose fingers or even their lives when they play with stuff before learning about it. Also don't see why a third party felt the need to use it as an excuse to call someone a filthy name...but we have a few of those types hangin around lately, don't we. Hope you gets it cleaned up and sorry again for the misunderstanding.

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 16:50:34

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-05-2008 14:34:22

No damage done and no hard feelings

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wannafarm

01-05-2008 13:40:12

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:30:14

I wish I could help you, I know I have been watching posts now for some time and all these a$$poles act like they are something special, whatever happened with helping people who have the alls to say they made a mistake ?

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 13:44:45

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to wannafarm, 01-05-2008 13:40:12

Thanks

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Jon Hagen

01-05-2008 13:39:09

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:30:14

Ken,sorry to hear of your trouble. About all I can add is that before trying to fill the clutch housing with a detergent or solvent solution to clean the clutches, consider that this will also remove all lubricant from the cutch pilot and release bearings. BTDT.

Is there a removable bottom access plate that would allow you to spray something like brake cleaner on the clutch discs to remove the oil ??

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 13:47:48

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Jon Hagen, 01-05-2008 13:39:09

Yes there is and I went and bought 2 cans of brake cleaner and was gonna attempt it before I made the post but thought I might see If someone else had another Idea thanks bud

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Ken Faust

01-05-2008 16:56:14

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Re: OOOPPPPSSSSS in reply to Ken Faust, 01-05-2008 13:47:48

Everyone Thanks for the help and glad I could amuse most of you. Im gonna try the brake cleaner sparingly from the lower inspection port.
im not sure I can get to the pto clutch but gonna give it a try with my safty glasses and a face sheild, I'll repost with the results cause if it doesnt work I'll have em both replaced and resurfaced thanks again

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