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Iowa crops and

11-20-2007 03:02:31

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I am building an addition to my shop--a 20 X 50 lean-to for an office, laundary, and meeting room. Will be very well insulated. 8 foot ceilings. This addition will cost about $7500 without the heating system.

At first I was going with a vented wall unit(propane), but if I go with 3 separate rooms, how do I get enough heat into the 2 rooms without the wall unit? Brainstorming about half-walls instead of totally separate rooms to let the heat circulate, and then adding a little supplemental baseboard heat to the rooms without the heater. Then I wonder if I should just try to find a small used furnace, and duct the heat to each room. I know this would be the best, but probably more costly and complicated. I could settle for only 2 rooms and then I would need only 2 propane wall units. I do not like unvented units.

Could all you guys brainstorm along with me on what to do? Iowa location. Concrete and steel shell up so far. Would like to get heating system in for $1000 Max-hopefully less. Thanks in Advance.

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dave guest

11-23-2007 17:37:20

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Last department of energy report I looked at, cost of heating with electricity and natural gas are running neck and neck. Propane costs about 50% more. Seems like electric is easiest and same expenses to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't b e first time. I have discussed this at length with heating expert in Michigan. He said if this trend holds, you may see electric boilers come on the scene. Please comment. Utility costs are no joke.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

11-21-2007 19:15:12

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to I Wanna Farmall, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Many hardware/home improvement stores sell a small fan you can mount between the studs and blow air form one room to another.

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BarryfromIA

11-20-2007 18:21:59

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Allan In NE, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Some REC's offer rebates for new installations. That might cut your cost.

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johnlobb

11-20-2007 18:00:17

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Get a water heater, make up a manifold with 3 ball valves, put a line voltage tstat in the biggest room, and put baseboard fintube in each room with a small circulator hooked to the tstat thru an end switch. Adjust the flow to the other rooms with the ball valves over time. This would give you the most comfort. Good luck.... John L.....

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yee ha

11-20-2007 12:57:33

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

some good ideas here.

get yourself a couple bathroom exhuast fans, mount them in the ceiling in your main heated area (in different spots 'course) and vent them into your unheated rooms thru the ceiling.

like others said cut some holes thru walls near floor and slap some grills on 'em

making sure you insulate that ductwork ifn its run thru yourn cold attic.

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Janicholson

11-20-2007 09:28:37

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Try for a two sided wall furnace. Then use a 12" ducted fan to push air to the third room through the wall. aaaaa aaaatwo round grill covers, and a switch and it is done. JimN

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JML755

11-20-2007 06:32:06

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

I agree with glennster. If you're looking for cheap, duct the rooms together with a fan into each one. You can even put in a thermostat and relay to control the fan into each room (at more cost, however). Ideally, you'd want the duct to pickup the air in the heated room at the celing and discharge it at floor level of the unheated room. For return, I'd just cut a hole in the wall at ceiling level between the 2 rooms and put a grille over it on both sides (not near the ducted connection). Depending on the size of the fan and the size of the rooms, you should get should get some heat transfer. If you don't have the rooms completed, I'd do some experiemts with some little portable fans (different placements, sizes, etc).

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glennster

11-20-2007 05:56:42

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

just a thought, but why not run a little duct work in the ceiling to the other rooms, add an exhaust fan from the heated room and push some of the ceiling heat into the other rooms ? if you left the doors open you would get a cold air return back to the heated room. not the most efficient, but simple and cheap!!

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cj3b_jeep

11-20-2007 04:54:27

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Used furnace is the way to go, check your local Craig's List, local "shopper" paper, even a few furnace shops. Also, a lot of them can be converted from natural gas to propane.

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JDknut

11-20-2007 04:07:44

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

I don't know about a low first cost heating system, except maybe wood,or a tired used trailer furnace, but you might want to look at a waste oil system, if you can line up a sorurce of waste oil. You would make up in lower fuel costs the premium you spend on the initial cost of the heating system. You could also burn bio diesel in it. just a thought.

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Iowa crops and hogs

11-20-2007 04:39:38

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to JDknut, 11-20-2007 04:07:44

Thanks for your suggestion. I definately want propane. Does anyone have experience with a wall unit?

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Bill in IL

11-20-2007 03:32:25

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

It would have cost a bit more and too late now but I would have recommended hydronic floor heat.

To get it done cheap I would say watch the local paper for a used hot air house furnace. Time is getting short for you till you need it but they can be had fairly cheap second hand. You could ask a local repairman if he has used ones around.

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Iowa crops and hohs

11-20-2007 04:43:03

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Bill in IL, 11-20-2007 03:32:25

In floor heat is not to my liking, especially for 3 sepapate rooms in a small addition. I agree that the best may be to scrounge a small used furnace.
Still considering a wall heater also. Thanks for the answer.

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Bill(Wis)

11-20-2007 03:30:30

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Iowa crops and hogs, 11-20-2007 03:02:31

Cheapest installation cost would be electric. Keep it at 50 F when not in use.

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Iowa crops and hogs

11-20-2007 04:46:24

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Re: For you furnace/heating experts in reply to Bill(Wis), 11-20-2007 03:30:30

Thanks for the reply. Will be used daily. Propane is my choice. Would only use electric if I had to boost a room by 5 or 10 degrees--not for main heat source, and hopefully not at all.

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