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tis the season for junk farm trucks

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johndeerejon

11-02-2007 20:28:02




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Once again it is time for the farm auctions to start up and be in full swing. Here is your warning for all of you 2 ton truck buyers. No truck shop in the entire world wants to deal with your newly aquired gm general or your f700 that you got at a steal. There is a reason for this. Parts are obselete or extreamly extensive. Carburator are a thing of the past and diesel trucks have way more torque. Hydraulic brakes are a joke when compaired to air brakes. I know this because I work in a truck shop and I have had to deal with three lucky customes this week that found the deal of a lifetime. Do yourself a favor and spend a little more money for a commercial truck. You will be alot happier in the end.

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Clint Youse MO

11-04-2007 06:24:18




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
No problem getting them worked on arouond and not a problem getting parts either went into local farm repair shop the other day he had to old gas Ford and an old Chevy w/327. IF you want parts go up and order them at the parts store he got me everything to reo the 61 chevy new carb kit new piston and ring set all the gaskets newer hydro booster and anything else I needed still got under 2000 in the truck and it has 56000 miles on it needs a set of tires there are a lot of farmers around here that have 2 or 3 semis but still run an old gas truck for seed tender and just to catch over run it is not any cheaper to work on a diesel w/air brakes ever price injectors and an injection pump then have to put on an aircompressor and new shoes it wil eventually catch ya

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Haywood

11-04-2007 00:05:55




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to Bob, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  

johndeerejon said: (quoted from post at 21:28:02 11/02/07) Once again it is time for the farm auctions to start up and be in full swing. Here is your warning for all of you 2 ton truck buyers. No truck shop in the entire world wants to deal with your newly aquired gm general or your f700 that you got at a steal. There is a reason for this. Parts are obselete or extreamly extensive. Carburator are a thing of the past and diesel trucks have way more torque. Hydraulic brakes are a joke when compaired to air brakes. I know this because I work in a truck shop and I have had to deal with three lucky customes this week that found the deal of a lifetime. Do yourself a favor and spend a little more money for a commercial truck. You will be alot happier in the end.


I repaired a lot of hydraulic brakes in a International truck shop. I didn't like it, but I was good at it. Your right it can be expensive to fix them compared to air brakes but there are still plenty of good old trucks out there. Plus you don't have to have a CDL to run a truck with air brakes if it is under 26000

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Joey Juskowiak

11-03-2007 22:47:50




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Apparently your are a pretty stupid mechanic man!!! ever hear another man"s junk is another mans treasure, and who be it to you to determine what others purchase, your just posed to fix em not cry bout it!!!! so just do ur job and shut up and make some money stupid!!!!

this is coming from an old mechanic!!!!!



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1206SWMO

11-03-2007 12:44:56




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Its you personally that dont want to work on old farm trucks.Theres no shortage of people in my area that will work on them.You get hungry enough you will work on anything.

Whats so tough about a carburetor?I've got a friend thats a whiz on them.



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Ole Beaters

11-03-2007 08:03:31




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Yeah we should park them all for junkers and buy something nice and new so you won't have a job anymore turning wrenches. Then when wheat goes to $40 per bushel all that will happen you know LOL LOL LOL. Those ole trucks have made many a family a living for years and help build many grain elevators. If you don't like working on them find another job as a lardocat beaurocrat outlawing them!



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RodInNS

11-03-2007 05:49:53




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Hey now... there's no need to tell everyone that little secret. I bought a '96 IH 9400 a couple years ago; got it for scrap price. N14, 13 speed, air ride... drives like a dream, stops quick and it's got power to burn. IT's heavy and not the perfect spec for a straight truck by any means... but there is no way in he!l I'd go back to running a gas job with hydraulic brakes. This thing costs sooooo ooooo oo much less to run. Yes, I need a CDL, but this truck costs less on an annual basis to licence and insure than the 1 ton we had before andthe one ton used to cost us half as much a year in repairs as this Eagle cost to buy.
There's always nic nacs with headlights on this thing; it is an IH afterall. Gotta put slacks on it now... new set of drives last fall, the off chamber or diaphram... etc. I do all my own work on it though so it doesn't cost much to maintain. The trick is to find one that still has some running left in it rather than one that's all used up.
If I can find a heavy front with double steering boxes for this thing and stick a set oif super singles up front then she'll be set up the way I want and scale her full 27,5 legally.... instead of what I'm doing now.

I think in most cases staying with old gas trucks is either nostalgia or a mental block about CDL's. IT's not that big of a deal.

Rod

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ericlb

11-03-2007 05:05:42




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
this is a strange topic, those old 2 ton farm trucks will always be around, there the cheapest strongest rig for the cost,parts are around if you know where to look, and there run hard for a few weeks a year and usualy take it easier the rest of the year, most farmers understand how they work and dont need to go to a shop to fix it, and it doesnt make sence to buy a newer high cost cdl rig that mom or sis cant drive or the ever present uh, "seasonal help" especialy for the farmers that have a elevator just a few miles down the road, just my opinion

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OliverGuy

11-03-2007 04:39:16




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
If you can find one you're comfortable with and it costs a couple grand and you don't have to go far, why not? If you can haul 350 bushel of beans at $9, that's $3150 of product in a $2000 truck, not bad in my opinion. I have a $30,000 truck haul $250 of mulch/delivery. How smart am I? Of course it's got AC though.



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Tradititonal Farmer

11-03-2007 03:52:46




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
I have a 1999 Ford F550 with hydraulic brakes and it will lock down with a truck trailer combination load of 30,000 no problem.Had a 1973 Louisville
L8000 Ford with hydraulic brakes and it would stop fully loaded no problem.Most 'mechanics'(parts replacers) today do not understand the booster setup on older trucks



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Allan In NE

11-03-2007 04:06:39




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 11-03-2007 03:52:46  
You ain't just a kiddin'!

If those old hydro-vacs won't stop 'er, we need to find a mechanic who knows what he's doing.

Just my opinion,

Allan



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Steven f/AZ

11-03-2007 03:35:06




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Don't know the laws in other states, but I know in ND a farmer can drive a semi within 150 miles of his/her farm without a CDL. As a member of the family, even though I'm an AZ resident I can run Dad's trucks within 150 miles of the family farm without a CDL.

I was not aware that there were states that you needed a permit to buy diesel fuel... wow.

On the original topic, an old 2-ton truck can be an expensive thing to keep up. Dad bought an 81 Chevy C70 with a lift tag axle for a fair price a couple years back with a fresh overhaul on the engine and transmission, plus new tires all around. In the last year it has cost around $7k to go through the brake system... but it's still cheaper than a semi, and the women are able to drive it.

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Don-Wi

11-02-2007 23:29:58




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
I'm with benny on this one.

I don't have a CDL, and unless I get into trucking or if I ever get my big 1 ton or larger truck w/ gooseneck trailer, I have no intention of getting a CDL either. If we started grain farming and we had to haul it more than 5 miles, we'd want a truck to run it, and if we found a cheap enough truck that has hydraulic brakes that don't require a CDL, you bet it's worth it.

Most parts for Most trucks can still be found, and the older ones are easier to work on than a new comercial truck with wires galore and computers that control everything.

If I can get an old truck with a deisel engine and hydraulic brakes, even better!

Donovan from Wisconsin

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benny2

11-02-2007 23:15:34




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 Rules and Cost Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
There is a reason for gas and hyd brakes, in some states the rules make the use of diesel/air brke cost prohibitive. That is the permits required for the use of diesel fuel and that of the requirement of a CDL for the use of truck with airbrakes. So someones old lady that drive the farm truck to their grain mill for a couple a weeks a year going to get a CDL? Or buy PCU permits to use diesel for a couple thou miles a year? All that cause some arrogant truck shops dont want the business cause they dont like what you drive! Give me a break! You need service and you get this kind of service FIND A DIFFERENT SHOP!!

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RobMD

11-02-2007 20:54:53




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
but see, that's the thing, there are a FEW, at least a few, that are still in excellent low mile shape. These usually don't end up in garages.

I wouldn't know why anyone would want to work on an old rusted out junk truck with 50 different paint colors... but I DO understand why someone ventures for that low mileage, clean original grain truck- the insurance is cheaper, and it makes more sense for the smaller farmer.

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1206SWMO

11-02-2007 20:51:40




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
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When you only farm 230 acres you cant afford a commercial truck.I and a friend have kept this one running for years.There isnt a part yet that we couldnt find.

Many thousands of old 2 ton farm trucks are still in use.



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Tradititonal Farmer

11-03-2007 04:47:44




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to 1206SWMO, 11-02-2007 20:51:40  
They didn't come any tougher than those old 'Warhorses'



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Goose

11-02-2007 20:42:35




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
I know where you're coming from.

There was a time when I was in the boat and outboard motor repair business. People who wouldn't think of driving a 5 year old car would throw a major fit if I couldn't instantly produce parts for a 30 year old, off brand outboard motor.



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kurt:ky

11-02-2007 20:40:06




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 Re: tis the season for junk farm trucks in reply to johndeerejon, 11-02-2007 20:28:02  
Amen



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