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Best and worst made High and low ranges.

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Allis chalmers

09-26-2007 09:50:00




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Which tractor manufacture built the best high and low range and the worst. The worst I would have to say was IH torque amplifier. The best I am not sure




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JOE ZIP

09-29-2007 04:59:33




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
It is a must that you have to be smarter than the machine.



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LANZMAN FROM NZ

09-28-2007 02:56:39




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Multi-Power On MF's
Also The "Select-O-Speed" On Fords Was Very Jerky & Nasty



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Don-Wi

09-26-2007 23:55:48




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Oliver/White's Over Under(3 sp.), then the Hydra-Power (2 sp.) get my top vote.

The Multi-Power in the Massey's are good too, but can be costly to fix if the clutch pack goes out. Still going strong in our 285 though with about 6300 hours on it. Wish I could say the same about our 165...

Donovan from Wisconsin



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rrlund

09-27-2007 11:54:18




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Don-Wi, 09-26-2007 23:55:48  
I'd second that on the Oliver and Whites. Simple unit,easy to work on if necessary,parts are available and not too expensive.



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low budget

09-26-2007 20:45:33




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
As far as durability it all depends on the amount of use or abuse as far as I can see. Using them to slow down a load is rough on them, inertia puts far more load on them than the engine ever would. In my opinion the IH TA is the most useless, the mechanical ones free wheel in low, makes them useless on a hill farm like mine. All the IH TA have too much of a speed change to be useful, you pull the TA back and it seems like you're hardly moving. The Deere and the Ford Dual Power are just the right ratio.

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Ultradog MN

09-26-2007 19:56:33




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Depends on what you consider the best.
I had a 2N Ford that had a Sherman OD in it.
Flat out it would do 22 or 23 mph in OD.
I used to drive it down to the Legion for all you can eat Tacos and cheap beers on Thursdays.
When I was hungry and thirsty that Sherman was the best.



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havvey

09-26-2007 17:25:03




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
moline ampli torque was bad rarely see one work unless recent rebuilt. Oliver/white and ac were pretty good some issues with IHC but most that I saw were mis-use and operator induced



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BigMarv1085

09-26-2007 16:45:06




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Allis chalmers by far had the worst (190XT)



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Jack a

09-27-2007 04:52:30




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to BigMarv1085, 09-26-2007 16:45:06  
Worked at an AC dealer for 4 years and saw only one that went bad. It was on a 200 with about 6,000 hrs. The splines on the clutch discs were ripped out and had the disc had eaten into an oil passage in the carrier. I put in a used carrier and new discs and back in operation. Simple split and quick and easy to fix. That one was a fluke. Also relaces ramps and rollers on older mechanical PD on a couple D17s. Again easy and fast and at the time inexpensive. In 4 years at the Ih dealer I sold .....Oh... well to many TA's to remember. We sold some of the new mechanical diode ones to be installed in 06 and up tractors but they were worse than the old TA so back to the drawing board. I don't work there any more so I don't know if Case has come up with any else.

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Steven f/AZ

09-26-2007 15:24:11




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
(*sarcasm) Yep, that IH torque amplifier sure was no good...(*end sarcasm) Only 20,000 plus hours on our 806 and it STILL WORKED just fine. The 88 series IH had a lot fewer problems with the TA, because it was electric/hydraulic shifted - you can"t goof up. Most TA problems came from improper use, including the problems my Dad had with his 1086 and 1256. You need to shift it QUICK, not ease it like a clutch.

The John Deere quad range employs the same basic concept of a planetary gear reduction - except that it is hydraulically shifted so you can"t goof up.

Give me any one of the power-shift type transmissions and I can easily destroy it within 100 or so hours. Mis-use and lack of preventative maintenance are a cause for many, many problems.

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59D19

09-26-2007 15:19:34




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
I have no issues with the PD but sure don't care for the gear selection the D19 uses. I always seem to need to shift between 3-4 when baling. But the PD in the D19 gives you 3-5 or 4-6. To get from 3-4 to have to stop and manually shift the trans.



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RodInNS

09-26-2007 15:13:56




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
I don't know that there was a best or worst. You show me a tractor that has a hydraulic splitter, and I'll show you one that was busted. I think it depends on the operator (or lack thereof) more than anything else. I think Ford had a fairly durable system with Dual Power, but I know of several that were busted. Of the IH's that were around here in the same class of tractor the TA's didn't have a good reputation. The Deere Hi-Lo was also a pretty good system, but I can also show you some that were busted....
So, I dunno. I know I've got a Ford here with Dual Power thats still going strong at 7100 hours (knock on wood)....
There never were many ollies/MM's or any of that other stuff around here. It was Ford/Deere/IH/Case/Massey. That was the dealer support we had.

Rod

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ohio

09-26-2007 13:00:03




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
over/direct/under in the oliver/white was my favorite, then the allis power director. the quad range deere was ok if you didn't mind babying it, or else holding it in gear. (those tractors were gutless pigs, and when you swap in the 466, they weren't built to take it) better than the mystery shift, but they did do good with the power shift trans. t.a.'s don't hold up to much abuse.



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Dave from MN

09-26-2007 12:47:27




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
From my use, i would say the Oliver and the IH are good. Using the system as a brake system is bound to make anything wear out or break prematurely, right.



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Jack a

09-26-2007 13:14:56




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Dave from MN, 09-26-2007 12:47:27  
I've used and abused the PD on my D19 and D17 for years. Also used them for brakes. No problems. Used the old 190 the same but it is a bit more of a jerk because it isn't manual. I worked at both AC and IH dealerships and the IH TA can't take the abuse the PD does.



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Jack a

09-26-2007 12:20:07




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Without a doubt the Power Director. TA was never good even with the new diode ones.



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D17 man

09-26-2007 12:10:01




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
from what i know the ta in an ih is fine, it's haveing an operater that doesnt shift the ta lever fast enough that makes them wear out prematurely. maybe allan in ne or tractor vet could back me up on this one. ive never had a problem with my ta's. i also like the quad range in a the deeres and hi/lo on the allis



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ohio

09-26-2007 12:52:51




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to D17 man, 09-26-2007 12:10:01  
if it can't take it, it can't stay.



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Jack a

09-26-2007 12:16:22




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to D17 man, 09-26-2007 12:10:01  
If you have to be that careful it ain't that good.



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Mike (WA)

09-26-2007 12:06:57




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Surprised no one nominated Moline Ampli-Torc for worst- Standard "for sale" ad for moline includes the phrase "low side out on ampli-torc."

All the IH TA's I have had worked, so they don't get my "worst" vote.

Best probably Oliver, for smoothness and bulletproof-ness. AC Power Director is lower-tech but also nominated for best, for hold-back in low.



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Allan In NE

09-26-2007 12:06:39




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Well, let's see.

Figuring the number of tractors sold, total acres covered and total hours put in field operation, I'd have to say the IH T/A is hands down the best that ever hit the market.

Nothing else even comes close.

Allan



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Tradititonal Farmer

09-26-2007 13:34:28




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2007 12:06:39  
They have sold a lot more regular chevy's than Caddy's too doesn't make the one sold the best usually its the most sold because its the cheapest.N Fords have outsold everything and well you know what they are(LOL)



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jerry ray

09-26-2007 11:44:17




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Since I see so many comments about how bad the IH TA is, and I have a 350 with a bad TA. Is their anything that I can do to fix it better? Will some one else High/Low fit into the same spot?



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Kevin Meier

09-26-2007 18:00:06




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to jerry ray, 09-26-2007 11:44:17  
I have the t/a or t/a parts or elimination parts if interested feel free to email me.
Kevin



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spitz

09-26-2007 10:21:49




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Without question the whites had the best hi-lows. I would agree that the TA's in IH's were the worst



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Alex-41JDb

09-26-2007 10:42:06




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to spitz, 09-26-2007 10:21:49  
I"ll have to second spitz on white having a good one. We have a field boss and that thing has never given us trouble.



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Tradititonal Farmer

09-26-2007 10:08:54




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
The Allis Chalmers D14 thru D19 had excellent high/low, shift on the go and they hold back in high and low.The AC 190 high/low also works good
but the very best high/low I have ever used is on
my 2 Long 910 (Zetor 8011) tractors shifts like an automatic transmission and holds back in high and low



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Rich Va

09-26-2007 10:06:09




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
Allis-Chalmers made the worst,no doubt.



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JMS/MN

09-26-2007 11:05:17




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Rich Va, 09-26-2007 10:06:09  
And your reason is????? ???? The only bad one I've ever seen is the IH TA. Don't know about White, but have had good results with JD and AC.



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Bob

09-26-2007 10:02:18




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
BEST = DEERE Quad-Range, other than a few "glitches" in the very early ones.



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DuaneWKKC

09-26-2007 09:57:25




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to Allis chalmers 6, 09-26-2007 09:50:00  
because of your name, you might agree with one of my selections, the Hi-Lo in the 175 Allis, has a neutral and is a wet clutch. Have put approx. 3,500 hrs on one with a loader. Lots of sliping but never any problems. Another one would be the Oliver 3-speed. Excellent units with very little problems. The over-drive and the under-drive ranges seem to overlap gears, giving you very usable speeds.

DuaneW.

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pair-a-dice farm

09-26-2007 10:06:02




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to DuaneWKKC, 09-26-2007 09:57:25  
I've put a lot of hours on the old 30 series case dual range with no problems. My dad and I had 2 730's an 830, 930 and 1030. They were tough.

I've got a 4630 ford with a front end loader HI/LO and shuttle that I've got over 3000 hrs that I've never even put a clutch in.



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ncdiesel48

09-26-2007 12:31:07




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 Re: Best and worst made High and low ranges. in reply to pair-a-dice farm, 09-26-2007 10:06:02  
The reason the IH T/A was so "bad" was because people didn't use them properly, No differnet than the gas start diesels people didn't shut them down right... So I would say IH was the best.



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ohio

09-26-2007 13:15:50




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 at some point......... in reply to ncdiesel48, 09-26-2007 12:31:07  
while you are developing an engine, and it takes such a monumental amount of energy to start, that you either have to use another engine, or scab some rube goldberg setup on the side of it, just to get the fire lit, maybe you should rip up the design and start over.
cummins, gm, and buda all made concurrent diesel engines that would start (reliably) with a bank of batteries and the push of a button. they must have hired up all of the competent engineers, and deere, cat and ih were left with..... .....(don't get all huffy, all three got MUCH better as time went on, and all make darn fine engines today, but the whole pony motor, diesel/gas b.s. always mystified me. i guess if thats all the better you can do....)

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Ry

09-26-2007 19:08:09




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 Re: at some point......... in reply to ohio, 09-26-2007 13:15:50  
True that Ohio man! But you know I have an R John Deere Diesel with a 2 cylinder pony start. And with a little patience it will start in any weather no matter how cold! No plugging in or anything. The lady that I bought it from drove it to a country school so she could teach in northwest South Dakota winters -cause it was the only thing on the farm that would start and get her thru the snow. We had a few problems with our IH torque amplifiers. But we used 'em hard. I think we actually had more clutch trouble but usually redid the TA while we had the tractor split.

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