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two mile

04-15-2007 11:35:08




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My father need to drill a new well. Need to hear some of your opinions as to what type of driller do we hire. Both rotary and pounder rigs are available. What are the advantages and disadvantages of how these systems work. Also if anyone has any experience with driving in a sandpoint. Thanks.




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buickanddeere

04-16-2007 15:24:50




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
How about a good old fashined bored or dug well 3 or 4 ft in dia? There is a rig around here that can go down 90 ft.



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Bill in Colo

04-15-2007 20:16:09




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
My son has water welling drilling company and uses a rotary rig and prefers it to a cable tool,for domestic wells. When he worked for a another company they used cable tools to do their commercial wells 18 to 24" diameter.



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Handyman

04-15-2007 19:49:20




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
having worked on a cabletool rig at one time I can say that the rotarys are much faster, but if they find a crack in the rock they have a tendancy to follow it where a cabletool will just keep going straight down. I was working on a couple of irrigation wells at one point and the guys who were going to install the pumps came out and were greatly relieved to find a cable rig doing the job. they had to set a 14 inch pump inti a 16 inch hole just the week before that was drilled by a rotary rig and they had literally had to screw the entire set into the ground to a depth of 80 feet.

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Grabatire

04-15-2007 19:05:58




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Check the YT Classifieds. Somebody may have an extra one real cheap.

Sorry folks, couldn't resist.



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two mile

04-15-2007 19:38:31




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to Grabatire, 04-15-2007 19:05:58  
At least you didn't tell me that we were talking about a deep subject. Ha! Thanks guys for all your input. I will forward this info to my Dad.



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jdemaris

04-15-2007 17:27:06




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
The rumour has always been that a pounder will find more water without going so deep. But like I said, it's a rumour - probably started by guys that own pounder-rigs.
The reason being that it goes very slow, and shocks the ground as it does down. Whereas, a drill-rig goes so fast, it might plug small veins of water and pass them before noticed. I've had four wells drilled - three pounder, one drilled. All the same general area - all around the same depth. Since any well driller I know - charges by the foot - time doesn't matter much. If it were me - and I needed a high capacity well - I wouldn't care what was used. But, if I wanted the best tasting water possible - and did not need a high yield - I'd higher a pounder. That because here in the Northeast - the best water is from low yield wells usually no deeper than 125'. Once you got deeper for more capacity, the water will have more minerals, iron, sulfur, etc. We've got two drilled wells at our farmhouse. The 120' well is for drinking water - and is excellent. The other is 240' - puts out three times as much water but tastes awful.

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Walt Davies

04-15-2007 15:12:22




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Call an talk to local well drillers to see which is best in your area. One might work great right across the street but not on your place. these people drill whole all over the place and pretty much know which will cost you the least to get a good well in.

When I was Kid on the farm In Loomis we had two old well diggers that came out and used jack hammers to cut though the rock layer until we had pretty good well (cistern type) at about 20 ft.
The little guy had a British accent and the big guy wore a derby and smoked cigars constantly.
I was about 15 when we got our first TV and saw the well diggers on it. Funny they were called Laurel and harvey on the TV but they sure were the same guys i don't care who says so. I wish we had some pictures of these two guys they were a riot drilling well all over the contry.
Walt

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4010guy

04-15-2007 15:45:23




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to Walt Davies, 04-15-2007 15:12:22  
Hey walt I think i can understand what you mean as i have known quite a few water well drillers and it seems every one has his own way about him. Not bad mind you but just seem to look at the world in there own way..I wounder if its that way all over the country.



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workhorse

04-16-2007 05:08:39




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to 4010guy, 04-15-2007 15:45:23  
I resemble that remark. Been a well driller for 35 years.



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JMS/MN

04-15-2007 14:28:26




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Google 'Bor-Zit' for a shallow well option.



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Peabo

04-15-2007 13:12:38




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
If we"re talking shallow wells another option is too "wash" a well down. To do this you will need a transfer pump of some sort and enough galvanized pipe to go down as deep as you need

Dig a starter hole a couple of feet deep with post hole diggers. Dig a trench from the starter hole to a larger hole that will serve as a resevoir. The large hole will have to be scooped out periodically as the washed up dirt starts fillin it up. The idea here is to recycle the water that is being washed out of the well hole.

We used a gasoline ag transfer pump with a 1 1/2" suction and a 1" hose to 1 1/4" galvanized pipe. The galvanived pipe should have point cut on the end as well. as the pipe drops keep adding sections. If you are in soft dirt the process works pretty automatic. When you start having to regularly add large amounts of water to the system you are getting near water.

Once you hit water you can bring out the galvanized and sink a casing. A 2 1/2 inch was as big as we felt would work for us. We dropped a 1" drop pipe with a shallow well pump and are getting 10gpm at about 35 feet.

Hope that helps!! Good Luck

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Bill(Wis)

04-15-2007 12:17:14




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Get a reputable driller that complies with your state's regulations. If you live over a large aquifer that's fairly close to the surface a sand point might do it. I used to have a sand point that was down 40'. The point, after 60 years of use, became semi-plugged so I decided to have a new well drilled. Got a rig with a rotary drill. Hit "the rock" at 77'. The rotary went through that rock at 40' per hour. Hit a seam in the rock that produced fairly good and continued drilling to depth of 305'. Then hydrofractured to open up seam. I now have a 3/4 HP 240v pump suspended at the 265' level that has a 225' head of water above it or about 340 gallons just waiting to be pumped. 15 gpm initially stabilizing at 8 gpm after about 20 min. Plenty for my use. It was an interesting experience. The whole thing took less that 3 days. Cost $13,500+.

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Jim in N M

04-15-2007 11:57:07




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Well Two mile, think about it. One drills a hole,the other just beats a hole in the ground. the drill is much faster and a way better way to get maximum amt. of water. Do a 5in. casing and if you have gravel down there, be sure to put a screened casing at the bottom to keep small gravel out of your water,also protects the pump. I do assume your useing a submersable? pump. how deep do most folks go in your area of the country? Jim in N M

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Donnie Baker

04-15-2007 11:48:43




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Hey man if you need water in a hurry go with the rotary they will be in and out in less than a day unless they have problems. Some people say you can miss veins with a rotary but if the driller is paying attention that is BS. If your dad likes to shoot the bull hire a cable rig the driller will be there a while and he will have someone to talk too specially if you have gravel soil it is a bear to drill with a cable rig. I gotta go I think I may have a buyer for my boat

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rrlund

04-15-2007 11:41:22




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to two mile, 04-15-2007 11:35:08  
Sand point is OK for a shallow well,but I don't think it will stand up to driving it very deep. Our last one was a rotary for a 5 inch casing. We used PVC to prevent corosion.



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driggersfarm

04-16-2007 05:34:57




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to rrlund, 04-15-2007 11:41:22  
In the south we use two cloth hangers straiten
them out and bend them approx. six inches from
the end hold them in each hand walk around where
you want to drill a well when they cross you are
on top of a aquafier we call this water witching



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rrlund

04-17-2007 07:28:46




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 Re: OT - Thinking about drilling a well in reply to driggersfarm, 04-16-2007 05:34:57  
Guy that put our new one down did that.



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