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old

02-04-2007 10:32:10




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Got a friend thats buying a place, it comes with either an Allis WD or WD45 not sure yet which. But any how he thinks he can pull a 12X70 mobile home 2 miles with it up and down a few hills. I say no it will not do it, first off I think the front end will not stay down and second theres no way he will be able to stop it if he needs to. What do you guys think?
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vtscott

02-05-2007 17:31:57




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Old,

Reading your post reminded me of a prior post from Willy-N

Scott



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Doug in Illinois

02-05-2007 16:55:01




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
I have moved 4 mobile homes, all 14x70, in my life behind 2 different farm tractors. Two have been moved behind my IH 1066, two behind a Ford 5000 diesel. Totally destroyed the hitch on the second one I moved with the 1066, was running without adequate comunnication from following vehicle and misjudged a square corner turn and dropped the axles in the ditch/off a culvert. Only direction I could go was forward under extra power than I was using, could not hold thru the corner even with the 1066. Thought maybe could get away with going straight on across into disked field, which worked fine until the very rear of trailer scrubbed the grader ditch on way down and bent tongue up slightly. Once the frame is compromised, it is all downhill from there. Within a half mile after that, the hitch was gouging the road. Have moved 2 here in Illinois with the 5000. By then we had cell phones, plus the 5000 doesn"t have a cab so can actually see a little better what is going on back there. First IL move was about 15 miles on good, wide roads with wide intersections so was actually easy. Second move was only about 4 miles, but the first three were right down US HWY 136. Won"t EVER try that again, even with a yellow flashing light on the following vehicle people pass blind, and won"t stop to allow me to swing left to set up a hard right hand turn. Had one pass my wife on the right after she pulled right into the middle of the road with all flashers going and yellow on top. I am glad she yelled on the cell phone in almost a panic STOP. He went on around and almost took out the front of the tractor as I was starting the RH turn. Too much weight behind me to stop that quick, so tractor front end was in far ditch as turn commenced. I had visions of the busted frame again, but after a generous application of RH brake and power I salvaged the turn. DON"T TRY IT.

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Matt H NY

02-05-2007 10:23:17




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
No way!! Moved one with a JD 4010 just to get it into place. The tongue load was too much, 2 people had to stand on the frontend to keep it down. Get a bigger tractor or hire a guy with a mobile home toter. They are built for the job.



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RodInNS

02-05-2007 08:11:38




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
I've never moved one, but I can't see that tractor doing it, let alone doing it safely. Depending on the hitch load, it'll probably just put the front end of the tractor straight in the air, or break something. I did try moving a shed for a guy on a trailer like that a few years ago. I went in with an 11500# tractor and it couldn't lift it to hitch it, and couldn't drag the thing. I went home, thankyou. One thing I did move was a small 20x20 or therabouts size house. We set it on wooden skids and tried moving it with a FWA Deere 3140 with a loader. It did nothing. We hooked a Ford 3930 FWA loader tractor in front and got it to move until it got caught up. After that, it humbled at 90 hp, 25000# Cat D4H. The 4 did win, but she took the whole ride with her equaliser bars holding her front down rather than UP. That tractor has done some hard pulling, and that was by far the hardest pull it ever had. Never underestimate the weight or the stubborness of moving a house. I think your freind should hire a heavy wrecker who specialises in moving that sort of thing. Good luck.

Rod

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russ in ind

02-05-2007 06:54:36




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
moved a 12x70 with a cockshutt 35, chained front axle to a pickup to keep down.never again.



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davpal

02-04-2007 22:03:07




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
The only allis chalmers that should hook on to a trailer that big would be an articulated 8550 4wd tractor that weighs about 25,000 lbs. Those trailers are heavy! If you can't find somebody with a big 4wd I would hire a trailer mover and they can do it easily with one of their trucks. We saw some guys bend the frame on a dodge 1 ton dually pickup trying to do that. It ruined the truck that day. Ended up finishing the job with a John Deere 8430. It handled it very well. After the truck was junk!

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Bryan in Iowa

02-04-2007 17:59:01




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
No way ! We were given a 12 x70 trailer to use as hunting cabin . It was out in a field.Guy pulled it out with a 1066, but barely . Once out to the road we had another guy hook up with a bigger John Deere . Not sure what model but had 4 wheel drive. Trailer made this tractor squat !! Pulling up and down through the hills between Decorah and Waukon gave this tractor a work out . tractor had no problem powerwise,,but tralier was pushing it pretty good going downhill.

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dan hill

02-04-2007 15:56:16




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
This is a job for people who know how to do it.Fellow I know tried to move one that broke in half on the road.I have watch pro movers get into trouble moving trailers.Old trailers can be rusty and rotten under neath and look fine otherwise.The pros have insurance.I saw one that hung up because the new drive was a bit too steep.They have the money to bring in equipment if the job goes wrong.A man has got to know his limitations.Dirty Harry...

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cockshuttguy

02-04-2007 14:53:25




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Does the WD have a wide front? If so, when they crank up the jack and the tractor front is still on the ground it will probably be OK. I'd suggest going very slow and make sure it has good brakes on both rear wheels.
The ole WD's are fairly heavy and brutish, however, I've never seen one in the mobile home hauling business.
Good Luck and God Bless,



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JDknut

02-04-2007 14:44:51




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
I know a guy who moved one (I think it was a 12x60) about 10 miles with an IH pickup, but then he was known for more gumption than brains. Got away with it, tho. People don't realize just how heavy those things are. For moving one over the road, I'd hire a pro to do it. the cost is a lot less than any result from the trouble he can get in to.



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SteveKy

02-04-2007 14:40:26




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Old,do you think your 930 is up to it? Pulls fine on black top or hard pack NOT ON GRAVEL! Pull 12x70 14x70 with my 4630 4x4 with no problems.



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JK-NY

02-04-2007 14:35:17




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
No it cant,not safely. Hire one of those mobile home movers to do it with a truck.It will be too heavy for the AC to move or stop. It would be an expensive mistake if you get in the road with it and something breaks or you get in an accident - remember it is very wide and also hard to go around corners with if it is 3 or 4 axle. You need a fair sized dozer or big tractor to move them off road .

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TMay

02-04-2007 14:10:32




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
I moved a 12x60 mobile home once with a 175 Massey. It didn't have any real problems. I got some looks when I went through town though. We took it about 10 miles. You all have a great day



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thejdman01

02-04-2007 13:52:36




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Agree, from sitting the tires could be dry rotted, who knows if the magnets or brakes would work, The farme etc could also be sagging or rusted from sitting depending on how good it was to start.



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Brad Wright of MO

02-04-2007 13:45:02




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
NO, Like the thers said i doubt the front of the tractor would even be on the ground. One time in the middle of hay season the "farm truck" which we usually use to pull 11 round bales on a gooseneck trailer broke down. So we fabricated a ball hitch on a frame that would hook to the three point hitch. We used an allis 200 to pull the gooseneck on flat ground. Now that tractor is prolly tuned up to 130 HP or so and it was pullin hard. I would definately recomend finding someone with a dozer or somekind of bigger machinery.

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farmer boy 2

02-04-2007 17:11:30




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-04-2007 13:45:02  
What do you mean when it worked cause I would of thought that that tractor would pull with ease with only 11 round bales behind it. I've been in a 200 pulling 39 4x4 round bales and be able to make it up some pretty big hills without much of a problem. Plowing up steep hills is scary with a 200 and a 4 furrow 18" plow



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Brad Wright of MO

02-06-2007 13:50:14




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to farmer boy 2, 02-04-2007 17:11:30  
Well mine were 6x5 bales so they weighed more plus it was alph alpha. And 39, that may have not been as easy on your tractor as you think. And anyway i've used a 6 furrow plow and it pulled it fine. But anyway thats not really the point, the point is no it is not safe at all to try and pull the mobile home with the WD allis.



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T_Bone

02-04-2007 13:37:53




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Hi Rich,

I pulled a 14ft x 75ft 4 axle from Co to AZ, about 650 miles with a Dodge 400, 2spd diff, 4spd, 318ci, about 10000lbs. Trailer was about 25000lbs with 3500lbs tongue weight. It did ok, all though just slow in the mountain passes.

My book list a WD45 at 45hp and 5000lbs. That's a little light to handle a 12ft x 70ft on hills from just the weight. It would have enough power to pull it.

I would use a 1ton dually 4x4 without worry for just a 2 mile trip. The trailer axles should be brake axles so no problem stopping.

T_Bone

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williamf

02-04-2007 13:04:21




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Old, I think the guys are right. You don't so much have to worry about his being able to stop, 'cause he's never going to get going in the first place.
I moved a much smaller one (1/2 that size) a hundred yards or so, not on the road at all, with my backhoe. Used a short chain to the hitch from the hoe bucket. Started to pull off and the trailer never moved - front end lifts right up. I had to unhitch and fill the FEL with dirt, then try again. I managed it, but it took forty five minutes to get from the front yard around to the back, and I never did feel like I really had control of it. More guided than steered.
Good luck, Wm

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wayne from wi

02-04-2007 12:26:12




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
There are pictures in "Stuck and Troubled" of some people trying to move a mobile home with a tractor. Find those pictures and show to him what he is up against. Also, if the trailer has been sitting awhile, the tires are likely dry rot and the wheel seals and bearings are dry. Wayne



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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-04-2007 11:58:39




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Hi Old , Don't you have a big power shovel type loader ? Put the ball in the bucket lip and back it in IF the loader weighs equal to the load and has 4 wheel brakes ! I moved a smallish job trailer 10x30 a couple years ago with our JCB teleboom ( about 15,000lbs , rear steer , 4x4 ) on flat pavement , no problems but I could sure tell I had a load on ! Only moved it about half a mile through town to get it off the jobsite for one of the subcontractors . We tried a F450 but bent the hitch . Multiple trailer axles make it very hard to turn also . Don't do it . Hire someone with the right equipment . Or rent a heavy dozer . $500 bucks is small change compared to a wrecked trailer or dead operator . ...Randy

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John M

02-04-2007 11:46:18




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If you treasure your friendship with him, then dont let him try it.



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NE IA Dave

02-04-2007 11:38:27




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 Re: Sure it will in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Yes ---it certianly will work without any doubt ---if-----he uses it as a counter weight in a loader bucket of a big tractor--not as a pulling power unit.

The first thing is he will have to torch the drawbar to fit a 2 5/16 ball hitch. With no question or doubt. NO way is it even close to doing the job, we bent the drawbar on a IH 1486 with a 12 x 70.

We have moved one once a few miles with a AC XT 190. That drawbar had to be torched to take on a 2 5/16 ball.

We have moved alot over the years with Ag tractors and put a red face on the tractor owner who thought he was hooking on to a play toy.

As I think back we did one time us a A JD with a power block and 5 rear weights on each rear tire. It did the job but we had removed all the side walls and roof. Just the floor remained, we did have a very long steep hill to pull on the gravel road, and it was enough to make me break into a sweat at the mid point. Those axles are along way back from the hitch. The front end bobbed up but I was able to pull it down with the breaks.

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Mike (WA)

02-04-2007 11:36:39




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Don't let him do it- I helped my dad pull a 10 X 50 with a 3/4 ton 4WD pickup, and it was all it wanted. And there will be no way to stop it on the downhill- the project will wind up with a wrecked tractor, trailer in the ditch, and a dead guy.



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ben brown

02-04-2007 11:31:38




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
it do it seen a 430 case guy pulled on about 5 miles up down hills he in ky. now i wouldn"t and wouldn"t sugest it but it sure can be done the guy with the little case told me later he spent the next weak in prayer though. if he does it get a vido cam so we all can see how it goes



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Jim Johnson

02-04-2007 11:28:15




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Never happen!! Pulled one with a 1456 IH once with the kitchen in the front, thought it was going to break the drawbar. The Allis won"t break though because you"ll never keep the front down. Jim



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ejr-IA.

02-04-2007 11:19:15




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Thats around 12000# of trailer.



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Mike M

02-04-2007 11:02:10




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
He better find a bigger tractor or crawler. I moved one once with a 4020 that had fluid in the rear and a loader on the front this was about right for the job.



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DJ930

02-04-2007 10:45:58




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Old I wouldn't want to do that, Be way to much weight on the draw bar IF front end would stay on ground. I pulled a 10X50 home about 22 miles with a 3/4 ton pickup one time. Thought I'd be smart and put concteat blocks in rear of trailer, hooked on, put wide load signs on, started down hiway, get over 40 mph pickup started to sway. Make long store short had car in front and back drove slow, got home OK, on main HIWAY. My thoughts. DJ

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Donnie Baker

02-04-2007 10:39:09




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There ain't no way man first off a WD or WD45 doesn't have a stout enough drawbar to hold up a trailer I would recommend a tractor in the hundred HP or larger class. I gotta go



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John51

02-04-2007 10:38:58




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Nope. I don't think he can do it, certainly not safely. Had a friend hitch to a 12x60 with a 3020 once. Had to chain from the 3 pt arms to the drawbar because it was bending. Had to steer with the brakes. They are HEAVY. That Allis would never stop it once it started to roll down a hill.



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Gary from Muleshoe

02-04-2007 10:37:28




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to old, 02-04-2007 10:32:10  
Old I had a 52 MM UTS that the previous owner tried to do that with and they bent the drawbar on it.
Sounds risky to me, better off getting a bigger tractor or a big truck.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

02-05-2007 11:34:36




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 Re: Can it be done safely in reply to Gary from Muleshoe, 02-04-2007 10:37:28  
Had a 14 x 70 to move several years back. It weighted 31,000 lbs. a mover pulled it for us and it left tracks 10 inches deep in gress covered ground.



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