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Stubob

12-19-2006 17:42:40




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A part of Missouri was just hit by the biggest snow fall we have had in a long time. I have a swept back front end IH584 W/2250 loader. The tires are filled with CC and a 6ft blade was attached. Things did not go well. Never mind moving snow, I could hardly move the tractor. As my wife watched through the kitchen window, Mr "I got a tractor" had to give it up. Is it the operator, the tractor, the setup,? What tractor and implements have you found to work best in the snow?

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Mike Van

12-20-2006 11:27:57




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Chains Bob - I've used a 574 with 3 ph blade for 30 years, sometimes the wet heavy snow a ft deep, you gotta work at, but it works. If your going to "plow" with the loader, rear chains, a cement weight for the 3 pt, and steer with the brakes when needed.



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sodly

12-20-2006 08:49:28




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
I've been curious about moving snow with a 3 point blade, too. In the past I've used 2WD utility tractors and a 6' or 8' boxed scraper (boxed blade) without chains to move snow, but the box quickly fills up and starts piling under the wheels of the tractor, so it's not ideal for large areas or long runs. On the plus side, it's easy to push AND pull snow with a boxed scraper without adjusting anything (since they're designed to push and pull dirt). A lot of the problem is you can't angle a boxed scraper.

How well does it work to turn a 3 pt. blade around backwards and push snow with the blade angled (as Brian in MO relates)? Seems like this would work well but having never tried it, I'm not sure. Can anyone tell me if there's much difference between pushing and pulling snow with a 3 pt. blade? Seems like your driving wheels would more likely be on cleared pavement if you pushed. Also, do they make hydraulic angling blades that will turn 180 degrees under hydraulic power? I don't imagine they do.

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Brian in MO

12-20-2006 20:29:37




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to sodly, 12-20-2006 08:49:28  
Sodly, from my experience in a light snow (6" or less) I pull the snow with the blade angled as far as I can which helps the snow slide off. In a heavy snow alot of times the snow piles up under the tractor like with your box blade so it is easier to just turn the blade around and push backwards, you can still angle the blade so it still works on a long driveway or lane but your neck gets pretty sore after a few hours of it. Brian

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Mike Veen

12-19-2006 20:08:50




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Chain both ends front and back...cross your fingers and go like hell.



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Brian in MO

12-19-2006 19:41:20




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
I know what you mean I live about 8 miles south of Hannibal we got 14-15" the ice under the snow was a mess. I have a 756 with a blade on the back and loader on the front, the only way I could get out of the driveway was by turning the blade around and pushing backwards till I got a place opened up to work from (I had the bale fork still on the front because I knew the weathermen were going to be wrong) so I had to get through the lot to get to the bucket. All of this just to say if you can push the snow and keep your wheels on "dry" ground helps alot. I didn't put the tire chains on but that was going to be the next step.

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dan67

12-19-2006 19:20:32




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
On my "H" I use chains w/links that go from cross chain to cross chain, a little rough, But the chains do not fall between the lugs, When really bad chain up the front of our 4x4 JD. Chains really do help



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Cliff Neubauer

12-19-2006 19:17:19




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
I took the front weight bracket off our 706 and mounted it on an upside down T that attaches to a tractor's 3pt hitch for a counter weight when doing loader work. An extra 1,200lbs on the 3pt of our 826 made a big difference when pushing snow with the loader on ice and all it cost me to build besides my time was about $20 for a 2 5/16" ball that I welded in the top of the T for moving gooseneck trailers with a tractor.

Something else I've noticed is that tires like Firestone's that have a flatter lug angle seem to grip better on ice than say a Goodyear style long bar/short bar tire, also it seems to me like radial tractor tires do better on ice as well and I assume that as the tire flexes it grips the ice better than a bias ply. We do have a set of good 18.4x38" tire chains that will fit several of our tractors but they are a pain to use so they only come out in an emergency.

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fixerupper

12-19-2006 18:52:02




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Back when we still had cattle I made a 1300 pound cement weight for the 3PT hitch on the loader tractor and it did a lot of good. It's just a two foot cube of cement. I called it my "poor man's front assist". On firm soil the tractor has more traction than power, in mud it won't get stuck unless it bellys out, and on snow and ice it's surprisingly pretty helpful. This is on a 630 JD with narrow tires so it puts a lot of weight per square inch on the ground. I do have chains but I rarely use them. If you have wide rear tires, then adding weight won't do much good for you on ice and the bumpy chains are the best bet. Jim

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old

12-19-2006 18:48:00




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Yep know what you mean. I have 2 tractors set up for snow. The one was in my shop the other out side. The one in my shop couldn't even make it out of the shop the other one I got fired up and put the big V plow on it and tried and didn't go any where till I put the chain on then it was no problem. The one I put the cahins on also has fluid in the tires and a back blade on it with 6 suit case weights and with out the chains all it would do was spin. Long story short you needed chains since you also had 3 inches of ice under the snow. Yep I'm also in Missouri and know how it was. Theres a few Million dollars of damage in my area from boat docks sinking and building that fell down

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onefarmer

12-19-2006 17:55:42




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
"What tractor and implements have you found to work best in the snow?"

Any tractor with chains on it. One time I pulled a full size van out of the ditch on a inch thick sheet of ice after an ice storm. Using a Farmall M with chains. It dug and scratched a while but pulled it out.



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Steven@AZ

12-19-2006 17:54:34




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
You need chains, period. Chains will work best on packed snow and ice.

What condition are the tires in? You could always install some custom "studs" in the lugs if you were really creative...



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Aaron Ford

12-19-2006 17:48:25




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Tire chains would have been helpful. The loader was unloading the back tires. Not sure if it can be removed, but most dedicated loaders have a counterweight mounted where the three point would be. HTH

Let's go Mountaineers,

Aaron



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dhs

12-19-2006 17:46:13




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 Re: Spinning my wheels! in reply to Stubob, 12-19-2006 17:42:40  
Sounds like you could use a set of chains and maybe a little more weight.



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