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7120 Vs 5088

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 09:01:44

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Below somebody said instead of looking a 5088 I should be looking into a 7120. Which one would be better in the long run? Neither needs to be 4x4. I know the 7120 would be about 10,000 more initialy but would it pay for itself later? What would the bank think?

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James2

11-29-2006 16:13:02

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

Got a chuckle when I read the post that you must be a physican or attorney to own a 150 hp tractor and only farm 150 acres. I'm neither, own several, and how would you explain Nebraska Allan's flock of tractors? I have been told the transmission guts are almost the same, but the controls are definitely better on the 7120. We have a 5288 and the hydraulic controls are not great, but they work and flow has never been a problem. The mechanical shifting is also a little crappy, but it works. The two gear power shift does work better than the torque it replaced. We have pulled a 5 shank DMI in-line ripper and it takes a lot of power. The primary ripper tractor is a IH 4166 with a bigger 466 cu in engine. Power is around 165 bhp and running 15-16 inches deep, about 4 mph is all you can muster. You need to pull vertical tillage tools such as the turbo-till very fast, and as you stated, that takes power. The 5288 with duals and loaded primary tires works great on a 13 shank chisel going 9-10 inches deep, but it generally has more power available than traction.

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Ron 1456

11-29-2006 15:37:48

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

About 12 years ago I traded my 5288 for a low houred 7140 MFD. By the next spring Dad had traded his 3588 for a 7140 MFD. From experience I can tell you that you would be better off with the 7120.

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 14:52:10

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

Mostly what I was after was the cab and the transmission in 7120 and 5088 along with wnough power to do whatever I needed or could get into. A decent 5088 runs around 16-20,000 from all the internet sites I"ve looked at. 3688 (updated 966) is out there for under 15,000 in decent condition. My day when I graduate will be a teacher and the girl I"m engaged to is about to graduated and be an architect. So any money made farming can stay in farm expense. I just enjoy it.

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 15:32:22

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 14:52:10

Sorry about that last post, I couldn't type all of a sudden when I sent it. Meant to say that the girl I'm engaged to is about to graduate and become an architect and I am almost through school to be a teacher. So any money made farming would go back into the farm, probably in equipment. I had to correct that post, looks bad me wanting to be a teacher and not being able to write.

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jhill52

11-29-2006 18:34:49

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 15:32:22

I love machinery too but you could buy all the other machinery you need for less than the cost of a 5088. If you buy everything else first then you can earn the money for a big tractor and pay cash. The key to small scale farming is to stay out of debt.

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BigMarv1085

11-29-2006 14:08:59

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

I use to farm 200 acres with a MF175 and a Ford 8N. 3years later it was 1800 acres with a stieger cougar, Allis D21. and the MF175.

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jhill52

11-29-2006 12:40:53

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

If you want to deep rip or other tillage that you only do once in a while I would rent a tractor and the tillage tool you need. I used to farm 80 acres. I had a really nice 4o hp tractor for most everything. I rented a bigger tractor if I needed it. I usually cost a few hundred dollars a year and if it broke it wasn't my problem.

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dhermesc

11-29-2006 14:08:53

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to jhill52, 11-29-2006 12:40:53

That's the smartest thing I've seen posted yet.

The other thing to do is just have someone work it for you. They could have the whole place worked in a big day or so while you're still dinking around with it after work for two weeks. They'll do it for the interest you'd pay (or lose) on a 7120 and the equipment.

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nw_bearcat

11-29-2006 11:50:21

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

given the hp requirements for zone tillage, the hp of your tractors, and the cost of a zone tillage implement, i'd buy a smaller tractor and hire someone to do it. if you run a big tractor year round to do everything to have it around to do a certain task you're thinking you might do sometime down the road might be pushing you to turn a profit on your 150A.

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j cook (iowa)

11-29-2006 11:35:13

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

I would have thought, that unless we are talking a wealthy lawyer or doctor wanting to operate a "hobby" farm, that for 150 acres and no additional ground, a primary trctor would likely have to be somewhat lder and smaller than a "5088" even. If someone wanted a tractor of that hp, and it HAD to be red (or any other color for that matter) then one of the mid 1970's manufacture ought to be more than sufficient.

That suggests a $7500-9000 1066 or perhaps an $11,000 1086!

Myself, I would think that a 966 ought to be more than sufficient. The operation I have is just under that acreage and a 95hp JD 4020D is MORE than adequate. I would feel over hp'd with a 966 although I certainly wouldn't object to having one either,

Having a LOT more tractor, both from the viewpoint of cost to buy and also from the viewpoint of cost to operate is really kind of foolish if one is really trying to show a profit at the end of the year.

You could adequately farm 150 acres with even 70hp! If it were me---and it very well might be very soon be me, I'd probably try starting with something like an f706 or an f756 or possibly an f826, since you seem to like Red Paint. JMO!

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Lincoln

11-29-2006 10:49:21

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

7120 is a great tractor, no doubt about it. My only thought would be is how to pay for a $40,000 tractor running it over 150 acres. If corn stays where it is you might. For that reason I'd lean toward the 5088. The 5088s aren't too much more than a 1066 and seem to be a lot nice tractor.

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agrogers

11-29-2006 09:58:39

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

7120 has a superior cab hydraulics etc. I spent most of my summer in one in front of a baler and a discbine-it"s a right good bit of tractor for 150 acres

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Cliff Neubauer

11-29-2006 14:22:43

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to agrogers, 11-29-2006 09:58:39

The 5088 and 7120 have pretty much exactly the same hydrualic system but the 5088 will actually flow a little more oil to the remotes than an early 7100 series Magnum will. The levers are setup nicer in the Magnum's but for 150 acres I can't see spending twice as much for the Magnum.

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Josh in Pa

11-29-2006 09:15:02

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:01:44

I saw below that your looking at about 150 acres. Either tractor might be overkill on that much ground. With no-till you won't have much tillage, and a smaller tractor might serve you a lot better.
Josh

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 09:26:09

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Josh in Pa, 11-29-2006 09:15:02

I thought about that but on the other hand if I wanted to deep rip or run a zone builder I would need the more ponies.

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 09:27:39

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:26:09

I was worried a 3688 wouldn't be enough.

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Josh in Pa

11-29-2006 10:14:29

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Re: 7120 Vs 5088 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 09:27:39

I didn't think about doing vertical tillage. Your right, it takes some serious power.
Josh

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