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jdemaris

09-23-2006 06:47:12




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I'm trying to help my son out - I'm in New York and he lives in Colorado. He recently took my 6.2 diesel 1987 Suburban back home with him. Colorado requires a diesel "visible smoke" test to register the vehicle. He failed - but not by much. Test consists of putting the vehicle on a dyno, and measuring visible smoke at simulated highway speeds of 40 MPH, 50 MPH, and 60 MPH (or something like that). He failed only the 40 MPH test and was only sligthly out of range (3% high). The guy in the test shop told my son he might try installing a new air cleaner and come back and try again. At $60 for every test, I don't want to see him spend a fortune with trial-and-error testing. I don't understand why they couldn't just pull the air-cleaner out, and if it then passed - just make him spend $15 on a new element. Anyway, here in New York - we have no such testing - so I'm not up on possible simple fixes. I could turn the pump down - but I hate to do it (I can't anyway since I'm in New York). The altitude is higher in the Denver, CO area where the Suburban now is - which I assume is part of the problem - especial since the diesel does NOT have a turbocharger (which used to be called an altitude compensator?). So, I'm asking - anybody out there had similar problems and found easy fixes? I suppose a good fuel additive MIGHT help (I've read the claims), also possibly advancing the injection timing, turning the pump down a bit, etc. But, my son is not an experienced diesel mechanic - he's an electrical engineer. So, I'm hoping for a simple fix. I'm wondering if a heavy kerosene mix would accomplish the same thing as turning the pump down? Kersone is lighter than #2 diesel, has less BTUs, so maybe?

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KEB

09-23-2006 11:02:59




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 06:47:12  
Easiest way is probably to just turn the injection pump down a little, then you can be reasonably sure it'll pass. I had a 93 Ford diesel (pre-powerstroke) when I moved out here from California a year and a half ago. It smoked a LOT more at this altitude. Fortunately we live just outside of the area that requires smog checks.

Poke around some of the diesel truck sites for instructions. I'm not familiar with the Chevy diesel, but on most mechanical injection pumps its a very simple adjustment.

Keith

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jdemaris

09-23-2006 11:29:29




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to KEB, 09-23-2006 11:02:59  
Like anything else, it's only simple if you know how to do it. I worked as a pump rebuilder - but son is not experienced. 1/6 of a turn of the pump head screw is probably all he needs to pass - but I'm not in Colorado. The IDI pre-Powerstroke Fords with 6.9s or 7.3 International Harvester engines use the same Roosamaster/Stanadyne DB2 pumps as the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesels (up to 93). I've got versions of all of them. My newest IDI is my early 94 F250 - the last 7.3 IDI turbo they made before changing to DI Powerstroke in late 94. I could turn a pump down with 10 minutes work - but a person who was not experienced could really get into a mess. By using a heavy kerosene mix, it seems the effect would be the same as turning the fuel-delivery down. The injection pump meters fuel by volume. By volume, there is less "fuel" in kerosene than there is with #2 diesel.

#2 Diesel fuel at 60 degrees F weighs 820-950 kg. per cub. meter.

Kerosene at 60 degrees F weights 817 kg. per cub. meter.

Gasoline at 60 degrees F weighs 737.22 kg. per cub. meter

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Bob

09-23-2006 17:22:25




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 11:29:29  
JD,

As I asked Keith, how is turning the MAX fuel rate screw down (backing it off) 1/6 of a turn going to affect smoke at PART THROTTLE, when the plunger stroke still will not be limited by the spring, even after setting it down 1/6 of a turn, since, at part throttle, it's nowhere's near max fuel rate (plunger stroke), anyhow????



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jdemaris

09-23-2006 19:43:56




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 17:22:25  
The screw absolutey effects more than full-throttle operation. It's a "maxiumum fuel" screw because it does determine the maximum fuel volume that can be pumped, but any adjustment to it effects, to a lesser degree, fuel delivery throughout the entire range of operation - especially in a pump with some degree of metal-parts wear. I've seen it happen many times when I've had a pump on a test-stand checking volumetric output at various RPMs. In regard to other factors you mentioned that affect visible smoke, starting, running, etc. well, yeah - just like just about any diesel. But - I've pulled a few 6.2s apart with very sloppy timing chains and they had been running perfect as long as the fuel timing was kept right. In fact - the Suburban that my son now has - blew up a few months ago with 520,000 miles on and it ran like new - until the engine siezed with the crankshaft now in three pieces. I'm not sure what happened - it went with no warning - some claim the cranks break due to metal fatique, others claim the main-journal webs break first. Guess I'll never know, but I've got two main-journal webs tore clean out of the block with the bolts still intact. That's how my son wound up with the Suburban. I had a spare engine - and told him he could have it if he wanted to do the work. So, he came here for his vacation and put the engine in.
Again - about the timing chain - from what I've experienced, it has very little effect on running other than retarding the timing of the injection pump - which is easily worked around by bumping up the static timing a bit. In regard to issues, e.g. timing. That's always a factor with mechanical injection. Sometimes brand-new engines have to be timed a few degrees out of spec. to run right - since factory settings are average settings and not custom tailored to the individual engine. Older U.S engines were built with wide-tolerances and therefore varied from one to another. Now, the static timing is one thing -which can change over time just by gear-train wear. But, the automatic timing advance in the pump tends to get weak at less miles since it depends on low-fuel pressure with the proper variation in low-fuel pressure in accordance with RPMs and various rubber seals to operate properly, via the transfer-vane pump built into the back of the injection pump. I've come across many engines that had just about no working advance at all - and that will cause smoke, cold sputtering, etc. On farm tractors it's easy to check with the engine running by using a plastic timing window. On the 6.2s though, often a pulse-adapter used through a timing light is needed, unless you've got some sort of flame-sensor to go into a glow-plug hole. As far as crankcase oil getting burned - it used to be a common problem in diesels that used air-chokes for engine shutoffs - e.g. Mercedes. Detroit Diesel also has it - but only for the emergency shut-off. The reality is - if the engine is using substantial engine oil in the combustion chamber - you're going to notice pretty soon when your dipstick reads low. And injectors? I'm going to have to go by my own experience. I've pulled apart some good clean running diesels and, after testing the injectors, found them to be in horrible shape. By horrible - I mean just about no atomization, but they were not plugged either - fuel just dribbled out. So, my impression (or inductive reasoning) is - I don't believe that have much affect unless they are REALLY bad. Injector opening pressure, does to a small degree affect injection timing - so when injectors get old, and opening pressure settles and drops off a bit, the timing changes a bit.

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Bob

09-23-2006 20:05:51




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 There's no use... in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 19:43:56  
Beating a dead horse...

But during the steady-state 40MPH opacity test, the metering valve is limiting the fuel flow to WAY less than the MAX stroke of the plungers, and since the plungers are not taking on a complete charge, and moving out against the leaf spring, moving the leaf spring inward a little, by setting the pump down slighly will STILL not put it in contact with the plungers, limiting their outward movement, and the fuel charge they are taking in, and delivering to the injectors.

If the plungers WERE taking on such a charge of fuel at partial load that their travel WAS being limited by the leaf spring, the engine would NOT be at "steady state", holding at "40MPH".

It would be accelerating at it's full horsepower capacity, otherwise known as WOT (Wide Open Throttle).

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jdemaris

09-23-2006 20:39:34




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 Re: There's no use... in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 20:05:51  
I understand what you are saying, and from a "theory of operation" viewpoint - it makes sense just as you present it. But - I suppose "beating a dead horse", as you put it, translates into - I should disregard what I've encountered while actually working on pumps, on the test stand, making adjustments and seeing the subsequent results - and instead - accept your interpretation on how the pump "should work" according to its design. I chose to - first - believe what I see, and then, if needed, to explain why it's happening. But, I'm not the one who is seeking that answer.

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Bob

09-23-2006 11:25:56




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to KEB, 09-23-2006 11:02:59  
Keith...

Please explain to me how TURNING DOWN THE PUMP will affect the smoke, at simulated highway speeds of 40 and 60 MPH????

The pump adjustment controls the MAX amount of fuel injected with the pedal to the floor, and would have NO EFFECT on the fuel rate at less than WOT.

Some common reasons for excess smoke from a 6.2:

Bad injectors

Late injection timing from wear in the timing chain and gears and/or a worn advance piston
and bore. SLIGHTLY advancing the pump static timing MAY help.

In the last several months, I have replaced the timing sets on 2 high-mileage 6.2's, and it's unbelievable how much better and CLEANER they run.

Even the crankcase oil may affect smoke, 'cause some of it gets sucked into the intake and burned, along with blowby. On one of the GM diesel boards, this was mentioned, and a suggestion was made as to a good oil choice for better results at the testing station, but I can't recall where I saw that!

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KEB

09-23-2006 14:39:18




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 11:25:56  
"The pump adjustment controls the MAX amount of fuel injected with the pedal to the floor..." TRUE, sort of

"...have NO EFFECT on the fuel rate at less than WOT" NOT TRUE.

In a rotary injection pump, the length of the plunger stroke is constant regardless of the throttle setting, not controlled by the throttle setting like the old in-line pumps. The amount of fuel delivered in each stroke of the plunger is controlled by opening the metering valve some number of rotational degrees after the start of the plunger stroke, spilling excess fuel back into the pump housing. The point at which the metering valve opens is determined by a combination of engine speed and throttle setting. Essentially, fuel is delivered for some percentage of the plunger stroke.

What you're actually adjusting when you turn the pump up or down is the maximum stroke of the plunger, which does control the maximum amount of fuel the pump can deliver at wide open throttle, PROVIDED ENGINE SPEED IS BELOW GOVERNED SPEED. At top speed, the governor mechanism in the pump will start opening the metering valve earlier, reducing the total amount of fuel.

Since the opening point of the metering valve is at some percentage of the plunger stroke, as determined by the position of the throttle and engine speed (via the governor), a longer maximum stroke will result in greater fuel delivery at a fixed throttle position and speed. Conversely, a shorter maximum stroke, i.e., turning down the pump, will deliver less fuel at a particular throttle setting and speed.

Since a diesel has not throttle plate, air volume is a function of speed, and reducing the fuel at a give speed leans the burn, reducing smoke. Same reason they smoke at higher altitudes if set for a low altitude...thinner air results in fewer air molecules in the combustion chamber and a richer burn.

There's a relatively simple desription of a rotory injection pump operation at the attached link. The mechanical arrangement of the Bosch pump is different than the Roosa-Master, but the prinicple of operation is the same. I couldn't find a simple description of the Roosa-Master pump & wasn't going to spend a lot of time looking for one.

Hope this helps.

Keith

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Bob

09-23-2006 17:18:31




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to KEB, 09-23-2006 14:39:18  
Keith,

Simply put, your treatise does not apply, since you are discussing how a Bosch pump works, and this is a ROOSA MASTER. (STANADYNE)

Changing the maximum fuel rate on these pumps WILL NOT affect the smoke opacity at PART LOAD.

You say "controlled by opening the metering valve some number of rotational degrees after the start of the plunger stroke, spilling excess fuel back into the pump housing. The point at which the metering valve opens is determined by a combination of engine speed and throttle setting. Essentially, fuel is delivered for some percentage of the plunger stroke."

Actually, the position of the metering valve in a Roosa-Master is controlled only by how much you have your foot into the throttle, and where the engine speed is at in relation to the min-max governor, and the metering valve position DOES NOT correspond to the start, or end, for that matter, of plunger stroke.

Think about it... the Roosa metering valve is flowing only enough fuel to maintain the engine at the speed required for the 40 or 60MPH smoke test. The plungers in the rotary injection pump are at NO WHERES near full stroke, so they don't extend nearly out to the stroke limiting spring, and the spring never limits the plunger stroke, NOR WILL IT, unless you set the stroke WAY down, so fuel is limited to less than needed to maintain 40MPH on the test stand.

(In the Roosa rotary pump, the metering valve is NOT involved with the plunger stroke, such as it is in the BOSCH rotary pumps.)

And, your last statement, "hope this helps", doesn't, since we are discussing apples, and you have explained oranges! You haven't cleared up a thing, with your linked explanation of a VE BOSCH pump, since it's plunger and metering valve are one, and are axial with the head and rotor, and the Roosa metering valve is separate of the plungers, and remotely located from the plungers, which are RADIAL to the head and rotor. The BOSCH plunger/metering valve moves back and forth to inject, and rotates to control fuel delivery rate, while the ROOSA's metering valve only rotates.

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KEB

09-24-2006 15:25:21




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 17:18:31  
Bob, did a little more poking around, your're right in that the roosamaster/stanadyne pump has the metering valve ahead of the plungers, so they don't fill all the way at part throttle. I haven't found enough detail yet to figure out why adjusting the stop on the plungers affects fuel delivery at other than full load, but I'll keep looking as I get time.

Keith



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jdemaris

09-23-2006 20:08:42




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 17:18:31  
Geez - sounds like you're getting pushed a little out shape. I never cared too deeply why certain functions on the JDB, DB, DB pumps responded as they did - to certain adjustments. What counts is, when you have them on the test stand, they do what they are supposed to do. As I said in the other post, I've seen the low end effect of fuel delivery - from adusting the screw - which determines the plunger-stroke length. Guess I've got the benefit of knowing at the outset that it DOES happen - instead of arguing why it might, or might not. I will admit I haven't spent sleepness nights with my Stanadyne service manual studying hydraulic circuitry. I would if I had a problem to figure out, but I don't. They are pretty simple pumps to work on. In regard to the post about the Bosch VE, or Diesel Kiki - yeah, they are very different in operation as compared to a Roosamaster DB, DC, or C style pumps. They are also built much better. I never worked on the VE pumps professionally, only on my own - since I've got two diesel 91 Jetta Volkswagens (Bosch pumps), an 85 Isuzu P'UP diesel truck (Diesel Kiki VE clone), and an 81 Chevette diesel (again, Diesel Kiki VE clone). And one note towards Kieth's way - about diesels not having air-valves. I've got a couple, weird as they are. One is my 1960 International Harverster B-275 diesel with the BD-144 engine. It has an in-line CAV injection pump with an air-controlled governor that attaches to a butterfly valve in the air-intake. Some older Ford diesels have it too - and I suppose others I haven't seen.

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Bob

09-23-2006 20:26:49




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 20:08:42  
My Ford Major Diesel has a air valve in the air intake, to operate the pnuematic governor in the English-made injection pump, as, of course, does your little IH, but as you say, they certainly are the exception, at least in the US, rather than the rule.

I'd still like to see an explantion, though, how the max plunger travel leaf spring fuel adjustment on a Roosa-Master is going to affect smoke at a steady-state, part load, medium RPM condition!

I COULD agree with you, though, at a condition near maximum torque, but not at this steady-state, much less than full-loaded condition!

Thanks for the lively discussion, though, it's been fun!

Incidently, you wouldn't have a VE pump (Japanese clone, actually) for a Toyota Corolla lying around? I need the thermal "wax pellet" unit, heated by engine coolant, that attaches to the IP, and controlls timing advance at cold start, and fast idle. The part is obolete, both through Toy, and OEM, and I've had NO luck finding even a usable used one.

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Bob

09-23-2006 20:26:53




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 20:08:42  
My Ford Major Diesel has a air valve in the air intake, to operate the pnuematic governor in the English-made injection pump, as, of course, does your little IH, but as you say, they certainly are the exception, at least in the US, rather than the rule.

I'd still like to see an explantion, though, how the max plunger travel leaf spring fuel adjustment on a Roosa-Master is going to affect smoke at a steady-state, part load, medium RPM condition!

I COULD agree with you, though, at a condition near maximum torque, but not at this steady-state, much less than full-loaded condition!

Thanks for the lively discussion, though, it's been fun!

Incidently, you wouldn't have a VE pump (Japanese clone, actually) for a Toyota Corolla lying around? I need the thermal "wax pellet" unit, heated by engine coolant, that attaches to the IP, and controlls timing advance at cold start, and fast idle. The part is obolete, both through Toy, and OEM, and I've had NO luck finding even a usable used one.

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jdemaris

09-23-2006 20:47:18




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 20:26:53  
Is that pellet - or sensor - considered an injection pump part or a vehicle part? I ask because I had the sensors go bad in both my Japanese vehicles - with Isuzu engines and Diesel Kiki VE type pumps. The sensor sits in engine coolant and controls a electric solenoid - that in turn activates the fast-idle vacuum pod. I wound up buying new sensors listed for an 83 Chevy 6.2 diesel - labeled as a "glow plug inhibitor sensor." They work fine - closed circuit unit temp hits around 90 degrees F (or something like that) and then opens. $18 from Partsamerica.

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Bob

09-23-2006 20:51:35




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 20:47:18  
The wax pellet unit is part of, and bolts directly to the IP. It operates mechanically, by a plunger that gets extended as the unit heats up, to control injection timing, and idle speed.



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jdemaris

09-24-2006 11:23:16




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 20:51:35  
I was looking at my Bosch distributor-type injection book and their chronology of improvements over the years. I realize your pump is Japanese - I'm wondering - is it the Jap Diesel KiKi VE clone like on my Isuzus?
Also, what year is it? I figure the Jap clones would follow, to a degree, the Bosch changes. In regard to cold-advance and fast-idle controls - they show as the years certain features first got used:

1975 - Cold Start Accelerator - KSB
1982 - Temperature Controlled Idle Speed - TLA
1987 - Pneumatic Idle Speed Increase - PLA

I'm not familiar with any of it - mainly because I've never had a problem except with the coolant-sensor controlled fast-idle on my Isuzus. My Volkswagens - with the genuine Bosch pumps - have never had a problem - but I suspect, some control is manual. Both have a "cold-start" manual pull cable - works like a choke-cable for a carburetor. I don't even know what is does - since I never had a problem. But it's effect is - faster idle and seems to advance timing when cold. It might also add extra fuel - maybe I'll have to read the book sometime.

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jdemaris

09-24-2006 06:17:12




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Bob, 09-23-2006 20:51:35  
That's something I haven't come across yet. Who made the diesel engine in your Toyota? I almost bought a Toyota pickup truck a few years ago - think it was an 81, and the owner thought the engine was actually an Isuzu. I didn't look very close at the time. I've come across various cars and trucks - that used other- standard makes of engines. My Deere service-vehicle used to be an International Scout with a Nissan diesel. I worked on a British taxi-cab that has the same engine as my Allis Chalmers ED-40 tractor (Standard Diesel). I worked on a Volvo that has a Volkswagen diesel. Also saw a full-size, 1/2 Dodge truck - late 70s- with a Misubishi (I think) six-cylinder diesel. I've always wondered about the Toyotas - but never had one. It's been my impression that Toyota has made the best cars and trucks in the world - if evaluated for design, utility, and quality control - going back to when they formed partially from Toyopet - or something like that. I don't own one mainly because the ones that I did have, rusted out so bad with all the road salt used around here. Anyway - since I regard Toyota to be an extremely quality-concious company - I often wondered if they would use some other company's engine. Isuzu has been a standard choice for a lot of car makes overseas - and I guess GM holds the controlling interest in the engine-division now. I was looking a used cars for sale in Autralia recently (on line) and most of the mid-size Chevy SUVs have Isuzu turbo-diesels, and many other makes little Ford turbo-diesels. I wish we could get them here. I was just reading that the new, 2007 diesel emmissions regs have just about forced every diesel car/light-truck maker out of the US market. For 2007 - it seems Mercedes will be the only one to offer a diesel that is legal in California - and to do so - it carries an extra chemical tank the injects and additive into the diesel-fuel to lower PMs. Volkswagen gave up on trying to meet the regs. in CA but will sell in the other states. And Chrysler-Daimler? I wonder. I saw the commercial on TV with Doctor-German-Guy telling a bunch of kids about the new full size Jeep-diesel coming out (other than the Liberty) - but I don't know much about it.

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Larry806

09-23-2006 09:33:01




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 06:47:12  
Fill the tank with Bio diesel when it is below 1/2 take the test again.



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Bob

09-23-2006 20:43:02




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 OR... in reply to Larry806, 09-23-2006 09:33:01  
Maybe bribe the test station guys with a little of what Willie was smokin' on his "biodiesel bus" the other day!



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Coloken

09-23-2006 09:26:40




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 06:47:12  
I've lived in Colorado all my life and I have never had any kind of emmision test, gas or diesel. They are needed only if you live in the Denver smog area and who would want to do that. Of course you need a ID check when bringing one in from out of state.We don't like stolen cars here. As far as passing the tests, I think you named it..give it a shot of cleaner and a new air filter and run it through again.

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jdemaris

09-23-2006 09:45:16




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to Coloken, 09-23-2006 09:26:40  
I don't know anything about the area of Colorado where my son lives. I drove through the four-corners of AZ-NM-CO-UT once in the 1960s - but that's different. Actually - I've got two sons living in that state. The one with the Suburban is in Westminster Zip 80020 and my other son lives in Longmont Zip 80524. I've never been there - but from what they tell me it's not very rural. Every state I've lived in, in regard to emmissions and other MV laws, differed depending on what part of the state you lived in. Here in central and northen NY things are much different that in New York City. I wish it would separate and become its own state. When I lived in the "Northeast Kingdom" of northen Vermont - it was almost like a different state as compared to southern Vermont. I guess when I think of Colorado, John Denver and "Rocky Mountain High" comes to mind, not urban smog centers - but that's just ignorance on my part.

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colekicker

09-23-2006 07:59:15




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 06:47:12  
Cowman's response is probably a good one, but might not work. Question, why is he switching plates. I have a friend in WI that has had out of state plates for over a year and a half. If he can run with it just being registered in NY, do that.
I guess the thing that really ticks me off is the fact that other countries put out 10 times worse emmisions and it costs us because our govt. is doing something.

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jdemaris

09-23-2006 08:34:49




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to colekicker, 09-23-2006 07:59:15  
I don't think my son can get conventional New York registration while living in Colorado. New York - as far as I know - requires residency along with proof - e.g. a driver's license, etc. Same goes for insurance. To register a vehicle in New York, you must have valid liability isurance based on residency IN New York. So, if living in Colorado - and trying to get insurance for a vehicle that is supposedly in New York - some fraud would be involved. He had enough trouble getting 30 day transit-tags since the New York DMV did NOT like the Colorado method of writing isurance documents. When I was younger - in the middle 1970s - I had three driver's licenses, three "resident" hunting and trapping licenses, and all kinds of license plates. I was - to a degree - a New York, New Jersey, and a Vermont resident. It sometimes took some heavy-duty explaining when questioned about it. One time, I was pulled over by a trooper on the New York State Thruway with a deer tied to my roof, a New York deer-tag tied to its ear, a NJ driver's license, and Vermont license plates - boy what a mess - but I actually talked my way out of it. But now - with computer databases and state-to-state information sharing - I assume it's now pretty hard to do. What IS very popular around here in New York is Maine license plates for trailers. So far, it's perfectly legal and cheap and easy, but New York is working on ways to stop it. In regard to the emmisions testing - I think it's a good idea - along as it is actually a part of some sort of comprehensive plan to accomplish something good - and not just a money generator for a government. Many such proposals, however are not good long-range plans - especially when it comes to engergy conservation - but that's a different topic. I'm not looking for a way for my son to "cheat the system", just looking for the simplest route to address the problem. Sometime later, he'd like to install a Banks turbo-kit - and that alone would probably fix the problem. But, at over $2000 kit-cost he's not ready to do it yet.

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KEB

09-23-2006 11:08:07




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 08:34:49  
By the way, saw in the paper not too long ago that Coloraodo is looking at doing away with regular smog checks & going to random roadside (drive by, no stopping) screening. The rationale is that the vast majority of newer vehicles pass anyway, so why bother to test them to only catch a few. Not sure if it'll actually get implemented, but at least someone is applying a little common sense to the problem.

Keith

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Nebraska Cowman

09-23-2006 07:12:47




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 Re: Diesel opacity tests for road vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 06:47:12  
I think the simplest thing would be to stay out of Colorado. But I don't suppose he wants to hear that. Maybe he can check around with some of his buddys and see what they do to pass the test.



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Nebraska Cowman

09-23-2006 08:48:00




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 Re: Are some states better than others? in reply to jdemaris, 09-23-2006 08:16:56  
Would you give me 20 acres of New York? No... That wouldn't work. My dad has made me pretty good offers to come home to north-western Pennsylvania. But I like it where I am.



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