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three-point hydraulics-how do they work?

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Tom Whitehead

08-28-2006 20:47:35




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hi folks,
I just bought a case tractor, the V model, which I will need to put a three-point hitch on it. So if I remember right, tractor hydraulics have two controls on them: a regular up-and-down control, and a "float" control. So my question is, how do these controls work? Is the float control a constant pressure unit? and what about the regular control? Is it just a standard spool valve or is there something special to it? any help you kind folks can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Tom

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big jt

08-28-2006 23:38:31




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to Tom Whitehead, 08-28-2006 20:47:35  
Whole slug of questions here.

In answer to your Valve queries. Regular valve is just a spool valve. Different ones for Closed center and Open center. Also and more importantly different ones or set ups for one way and two way cylinders.

Float is just a different position on a spool valve that opens both work ports to the return allowing the cylinder to find it's own level. Just need to get a valve with float.

Now to the application of the 3Point. For that you will probably want a 1 way cylinder. That being that pressure is only applied in one direction and gravity makes it go the other way. Will probably need to have the other side of the cylinders go to the resivoir as you will run out of oil unless you are putting on a stand alone hydraulic setup.

Now to your specific tractor. The VA series had two different hydraulic setups. One drove off the belt pulley shaft and the other drove off the engine. Usually the one driven off the engine was for tractors with Eagle Hitch in which case all you need to do is make things so the arms can swing. The Belt pulley drive has the valve built in and only needs the cylinder.

ONE NOTE If your tractor is actually a V or VC instead of VA or VAC I wouldn't even think about adding a three point. These are a fairly rare tractor and you would be well advised to trade it to a Case Collector for a 8N ford or the like. Easy way to tell them apart is the V and VC used a Continental flat heat engine and the VA and VAC used a Case Valve in head engine.

HTH

jt

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Tom Whitehead

08-29-2006 17:40:03




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to big jt, 08-28-2006 23:38:31  
Hi JT,
yes, it really is a V. model.it's a 1942 model. It never had any hydraulics on it, as far as I could tell. do you really think it's valuable? I don't really know anything about tractors, or antiques either.
Thanks again, Tom



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big jt

08-30-2006 08:47:05




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to Tom Whitehead, 08-29-2006 17:40:03  
Production Numbers quoted from April Halberstadt's "Case Photographic History"

V 2321
VC 12462
VI 734
VO 511

Compared to nearly 100,000 VAC's and simaliar numbers for other variations.

One other note the transmission in the V series was made by Clark and the VA series is a Case trans. I do beleive the innards of the transmission won't mix and match.

If you desire is to have a tractor to blade the lane with or the like trade the V to a Case collector for a 8N ford or something that already has a 3pt. If your desire is to go to tractor shows with this then restore as is. You would get fried by the correct police if you put a homemade 3pt on this tractor.

If you decide to go ahead and put a 3pt on your tractor PLEASE don't weld anything to the tractor or cut anything off to make this work. In the future someone will thank you profusly when they are restoring it.

jt

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Tom Whitehead

08-30-2006 19:00:13




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to big jt, 08-30-2006 08:47:05  
hi JT,
thanks so much for cluing me in,I didn't realize they made so few of those things. That being the case, then it really should go to a collector. My serial number is V4632016. So they only made 2300 of those things! Well, I believe I'll take your advice and see if I can't get it traded off. it's not like I was going to do something to it right away anyway. It looks like it's pretty much all original, except somebody put an alternator on it and converted it to 12 V.I asked about the old generator, and the guy said he thought he knew where it was, but then his son said no it wasn't there. That's probably not a big deal. thanks again, Tom

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sboutmilcav

09-02-2006 11:55:28




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to Tom Whitehead, 08-30-2006 19:00:13  
Tom,
100% concurance with JT. Don"t doctor it up! There are enough old tractors out there which have had all sorts of "barnyard" modifications done, that those of us that restore them have to contend with. I have a VC (serial number tag went missing before Dad bought it in early 70"s). I have only seen 1 other than mine in person and maybe 3 pictures beyond that. Same count on the V General purpose model only I"ve never seen one in person.
Note: Case letter models had a one or two letter series ID and a final one or two letter application ID. V is the series and also IDs the General Purpose variant. VC is a V series, Row Crop variant--tricycle, VO would be the Orchard variant, etc.
I also agree that an 9N, 2N, or 8N would be a better utility machine as 1) they came with and were the start of the standard 3 point hitch (easy to get attachments for it) 2) there were many made and many are still putting in full days on the farm. 3) repair parts are still fairly easy to get. If you break something on the VC you will have a very hard time getting a part.
As to $$ value, it is worth more that any in the VA series (the corresponding follow-on series) but still not as much as a cherry Model T or A.

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Tom Whitehead

09-02-2006 19:33:13




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 Re: three-point hydraulics-how do they work? in reply to sboutmilcav, 09-02-2006 11:55:28  
Say, that's a darn good looking tractor!! thanks for posting it, it gives me a better idea of what I've got. and it looks like a got all the sheet metal with mine. but yours sure looks a lot better. when I bought mine,I didn't know what kind it was, or what year it was. it wasn't even running when I made the deal with the guy. I just figured I could trust him.but he wouldn't let me take it yet, because he wanted to make sure that I could hear it run. So I had to make an extra trip up there for it. at that point, I knew it was a 42 model. I suspected it was pretty old, at first, because I thought I remembered that case had gone to overhead valves Pretty early in their life story. he had had it for 18 years, and he said all he did with it was just drag the driveway. I pretty much believe him, as he didn't have any implements with it. so I took some pictures of it, I'm just waiting for them to come back. then I'll post on the board here and see if I can trade it for something else, like you say an 8N and maybe I can get a brush hog out of the deal as well. I'd like to be able to keep something like this and actually restore it myself, but I don't even have a shed to put it in. besides, I live about a mile and a half from the ocean, and the salt air will rust anything, and very quickly. So thanks again to you and JT.

Thanks, and best wishes, Tom

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