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O.T. Sticker Shock

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JOHN HARMON

08-27-2006 16:44:41




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I live near wickenburg Az. about 25 Miles from Surprise Az. just to give an Geographical location. I have been thinking of replacing my 1989 Ford F-250 and have went to the local ford Dealer to look at some 6-8 year old used Vehicles. Well, they do not keep any such Vehicle on the lot. They go right to the Auction if decent otherwise they are sold to Scalpers[ the salesman called them] for how much I don't know. However they had several 2001-2004 Vehicles I showed an interest in. The least amount of Miles on the newest trade ins was 146,000 and the older ones had at least as many or more than my 15 year old Truck which is 216,780 miles and it is well taken care of. The dealer says that it is common for a three year old vehicle to have 150,00 miles and when they leave thier lot there is no Warranty whatsoever and a three year old Vehicle to replace my Truck in like kind [would have an V-10 engine] would cost more than I paid for my 1989 new. I was shocked. Is this common in the rest of the world or is this just an Arizona thing. In the 60's and 70's I used to buy old Trucks that were Farm used which could be 10-15 years old and only have 10,000 miles on them. Things sure have changed since then. I guess I have been asleep and never paid attention about Trucks or I would have traded long ago.

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doodelbug

08-28-2006 17:51:58




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
guess i just dont understand these prices. the dodge dealers around here are advertising 1 ton dually double cab with a diesel for $29,000. why are they so expensive elesewhere?



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Fred Martin

08-28-2006 08:50:48




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I was at a local car show recently and when it was over I had to get a ride back downtown. I found a ride with an old schoolmate and he had a new chevy truck. He said he wanted an S-10 but they don"t make them anymore...have to get a Colorado now. He also said he wanted a V-6 but you can"t get that either ...have to get the 5 cylinder inline. Fred OH



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JCSinGA

08-28-2006 07:53:30




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I had a similar experience a couple years ago. I drive a '94 F-250 XLT Turbo Diesel, 4x4, extended cab, LWB, 5-speed. The truck has long since been paid for and I like it just fine it has 135,000 miles on it. I stopped in my local Ford dealer and didn't bother to talk to a salesman just browsing by myself, to replace my truck with another of like kind (only difference was auto. trans.) the sticker price was well over 45K. NO WAAAAYYYY!!! I got back in my truck came up the road and decided it runs and drives real well.

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MarkB_MI

08-28-2006 03:20:55




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I don't see this as anything new. Good used pickups have always been in short supply. It's just that today, new vehicles are outrageously expensive, and used vehicles have a lot more miles on them.

I don't see prices coming down anytime soon. Light trucks are where the manufacturers make their money, and they will charge whatever the market will bear. Also, demand for used vehicles is a sign to the manufacturers that the new vehicle market is healthy; that's further reason to keep the new prices up.

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M Nut

08-27-2006 19:16:39




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
Long way from AZ, but I may have kinda what you are looking for. My brother has his 1999 F-250 Superduty ford with V-10 in it for sale in my yard. Never seen anyone pickier with a vehicle. I have to put it in at night, because it has never sat out at night before. It also has a 2003 Meyer quick attach hydro turn snowplow that was used about 12 times and washed after each use. (pointless in AZ I'm sure)110,000 miles with the strictest upkeep. Asking $13,500 for the package. (Plow alone is worth over $3000, so he was told) I'd buy it myself, but really have no need for another truck, as I already have a 2002 GMC.

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OliverGuy

08-27-2006 18:04:19




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
For what it's worth, if you're looking for light duty truck that gets decent mileage, Chevy has dropped their price again on some full-size. Most of the trucks in my fleet are 4x4 heavy 3/4's or 1 tons, but I have 4 2wd 1/2 ton pickups for service calls. They have been dropping in price over the last 5 years. The newest one was the cheapest! This newest one was a fairly basic automatic (obviously with V6) with air and it was 14.5k. A lot of money, but I've had good luck with them and they get decent mileage for me. Always check into who gives rebates that GM is tied into also. The National Assoc of Homebuilders membership costs me $250 a year but saves me $500 a truck.

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OliverGuy

08-28-2006 16:34:43




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock-Todays Update in reply to OliverGuy, 08-27-2006 18:04:19  
I just found out they're giving another $1000 off on '06's. Glad I didn't buy one last week.



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Steve Crum

08-27-2006 17:54:12




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
Your going to see all of this monkey business change soon. People just cannot afford to finance a $50,000 truck anymore. Why do you think GM and Ford are in financial trouble? People arn't buying new and are paying bigger bucks for used. Dealers don't want pre 2000 vehicles available for this reason. Soon people are going to wake up to how they are paying a dealer to take their used truck on trade for a new one when they think the dealer is giving them a better price on new by "allowing" them x amount trade in value on their old one. The dealer just jacks up the price on the new to cover the cost of the trade. Then sells the trade for the highest price he can get. He's covered already. Those guys arn't stupid, but they know the customer is.

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Jonfarmer

08-27-2006 17:39:03




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
No, thats the way things are done everywhere. The new car dealers don't waste much space with used cars and they do ship alot of them off to auctions or sell them directly to the surrounding area used car dealers. New vehicles are so expensive that folks can't afford to buy them and use them lightly, when your paying $35,000-$50,000 for a new pickup, you got to have lots of use for it, especially if your looking to trade it within the next few years because you will take an awful loss on your money. A coworker had bought a new Chevy S10 pickup, 4x4, automatic, with a 4dr crew cab, short bed, and fully loaded with all the bells and whistles. 1yr later he decided he wanted to trade it for a bigger truck, the dealer would only allow him $12,000 for that truck that was still in mint condition with 30,000 miles that he had paid $32,000 1yr before. He was all sorts of upset that they wouldn't allow him alot better than that and he checked around some, but they all pretty much have the same used trade in price book. Friend of mine just bought a new F150 and they had a 3yr old f150 4x4 they wanted to trade in, but the dealer would only allow them $6,000 for it, so they said no way, and kept it, I think he said it had 142,000 miles on it, but still, thats an awful loss on your money when you pay $25,000-$30,000 and 3yrs later, they only give you $6,000 and your buying another new truck. After the dealers get hold of them, that same truck they got off the guy for $6,000, they are now going to be trying to get over $10,000. They make alot of money off slightly used trucks. I saw an ad in the local paper on new Chevy pickups, hey, that $16,000 price sure caught my eye for a brand new pickup, made me look that ad over, and then I read the small print at the bottom of the ad that states to get the price shown you'd have to trade in a 1999 or newer pickup and that price is after all the rebates and I think you also had to finance it though GM to get that special price. There was the catch, I couldn't trade in my 10yr old truck for a new truck that the MSRP was $25,000 and get it for $16,000. My truck is in excellent shape though, so I am really not too interested in trading it anyways, that and I don't have the money right now either, nor do I want any payments. Lots of people out there don't want to ever have to turn a wrench, but it'll sure cost ya!.

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Matt from CT

08-27-2006 17:28:52




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
Also, yeah, you don't see 80,000 mile vehicles on the dealers around here, either.

I suspect it may be part of the dealership agreements -- have to have a garage at least x size, keep x number of vehicles in inventory, etc.

A lot of the "mega dealers" with multiple dealerships do have dedicated used car dealerships -- the 30k "just off lease" used cars at the main dealerships, and the higher mileage but decent trades go to a seperate place down the road.

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Rauville

08-27-2006 17:26:55




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I know what you feel like. I've been looking for an older truck, just so I wouldn't have to be driving my 8.1 Chevy everyday. Everything on the lots have 150K+ miles on them.

Went to a household auction yesterday, where there was a 92 Chevy 4x4 with 94K miles. Bid it up to $4000, and the owner wouldn't sell it...wanted $4500.

There's been an implement dealer that has had a 76 Chevy 4x4 with 10,000 miles (yes 10,000) sitting on his lot for the past 2 years. Up until recently it was priced at $8500. It is now priced at $11,500!!

Seem's strange that they have to bribe you to buy / lease a new one, but the used ones have become such good property.

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Matt from CT

08-27-2006 17:23:22




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
As I understand it...(and I might not very well :) )

A lot of the mid-life vehicles...and that's what 80 - 150,000 is today -- 300,000 ain't just for Toyotas anymore...end up being shipped to 3rd world countries.

Since planned obsolence is no longer the business model (and yes, I'm old enough to remember the rusting of 70s era steel, and when 30,000, not 100,000 miles, was the standard maintenance cycle on much of the components...) what to do?

Well, I understand a lot of the vehicles go overseas. To countries where the drivers put a lot fewer miles on them, and/or to 3rd world where affording them new is out of the question.

Exporting the good, middle aged vehicles help to keep the market for the New and the 30,000 mile just-off-lease vehicles strong.

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K-Mo

08-27-2006 17:03:21




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I had a similar problem when I wanted replace my old pickup. I just wanted a work truck, nothing fancy. All I could find were extended cab, power windows, power locks, leather seats with butt warmers. 120,000 miles and they wanted $12-15K.
Then I found an outlet for fleet vehicles. I got a 1995 Chevy 1500 (63,000 mi)with a GATOR bed cover, slide out drawer, aluminum ladder rack and a 1992 Ford E-350 (94,000 mi) with a 35' Duralift aerial bucket. Less than $10,000 bought both. This was three years ago.

K-Mo

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Paul Shuler

08-27-2006 17:00:30




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
I found the same thing out here in MO. That's why I just dropped a new motor in my old 86 Chevy and it's still going. I have a buddy that is a dealer and I asked him to look for a good used diesle 3/4 or 1 ton around 80k on it and I thought he was jokeing when he told me what one would cost. What happend to the time you could buy a work truck with rubber floor mats and such and 80k miles and spend $3,500. I to have been asleep.

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JOHN HARMON

08-27-2006 16:51:29




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
Typo error-150,000 miles.



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colekicker

08-27-2006 16:50:07




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 Re: O.T. Sticker Shock in reply to JOHN HARMON, 08-27-2006 16:44:41  
Visit Kellys Blue Book and search around there for the trade in value, private party values of a vehicle like you are looking for. carmax is also a decent place to look. Maybe you can find a good dealer that will tell you who their wholesale buyer they sell these "salvage" trucks to is. I bought my Dodge from one of these guys. '01 with 143,000 about a year ago. Just went on his lot, opened every hood until I found a dusty engine with no oil all over it.

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