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Matt Kane

08-24-2006 13:34:46




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I have just re-wired my lights on my tractor. Just 2 spotlights, hopefully 1 more soon. Anyhow, Do you think I would need an in-line fuse? And if so why. I just have it wired from the battery to a switch then to the lights. If I do need a in-line fuse, what size would be recommended? Thanks




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oli

08-24-2006 19:43:34




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
if it's only for 2 or 3 lamps then the fuse needs to be around 15amps, working on the pricipal of 4amps per light (55watt bulb / 12 volts = 4.6amps) A 16 gauge wire should be rated at 5amps/40ft, so on a short run, say a few feet you could fairly sfely double that. 14 guage wire is rated for 10amps over 30 ft. Hope this helps. oli



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John T

08-24-2006 14:17:29




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
Matt, The answer is sure you can get by without one and dont need one and much of similar older equipment didnt use them, its just a matter of personal choice and how safety conscious or over protective you may wish to operate your tractor. The theory was the wiring itself served as the fusible link as its amapcity wasnt a whole lot greater then say the lights would draw anyway and if there were ever a dead short, the wire would likely melt apart and the fault would be cleared.

Nowwwww www all that being said, as an overprotective safety conscious conservative type and one who believes its better to be safe then sorry and an ounce of prevention is worth more then a pound of cure etc etc and especially due to the extreme low cost and ease of installation, I would probably opt to use a fuse myself. The inline type are cheap and the rating would be in the vicinity of say 15 amps for a typical lighting circuit using 14 gauge wire and a couple headlamps. Of course, the actual wattage and total load of alllll the lamps would determine the actual wire and fuse size, but 14 gauge wire fuzed at 15 amps or 12 gauge wire fused at 20 amps might be a typical application..

The other choices are what n where to fuse. If you want to protect ONLY the wiring from the light switches output down to the lights, the fuse would be on the light switches output terminal and then downstream of the fuse would wire to the lights. If you placed the fuse at the load like right at the lights the wires TO THE FUSE arent protected remember, you fuse at the source NOT the load, and you fuse to protect the feeder wires downstream of the fuse. If you wanted to also protect the loads served by the ammeter, then there would be a fuse on the ammeters Load terminal and the wires fed downstream of such a fuse such as to the BAT input terminals on light or ignition switches etc. would also be protected. Other options may be a larger fuze like 20 or more amps right where the ammeters Supply side wiring is fed often where the big battery cable attaches to a starter switch or solenoid.

Where theres gasoline and the potential for gas vapors it sure cant hurt to protect the wiring such that a short will blow the fuse and theres no longer an energy source to continue sparking n arcing HOWEVER the kind of fuses were talking about arent gonna clear fast enough to prevent any initial arc (which could ignite gasoline) mind you, so its more a matter of clearing the fault to prevent gradual heat build up which could cause a conventional fire.

Sooooo ooo its your tractor and your choice and it will work fine without any fusing but its inexpensive and cant hurt nuttin to add some fuses and even though they cant provide total protection (may prevent heat build up) Id add them.

Best wishes n God Bless yall

John T (Conservative Fuddy Duddy)

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Matt Kane

08-24-2006 14:16:41




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
You're right. Now that I think about it, My brothers buddy had a Suburban which my brother installed a small amp and speakers in it. I bought it from the man, and one day my wife and I was getting ready to go to lowes, and I put the seats down in the back. Got 10 feet from my driveway and couldnt see my hand in front of me because of the smoke. The wire had all of the insulation burned off from the fuseblock to the rear of the truck. The wire was hidden under the carpet, and I thought the truck was up in flames. Shut it down and seen a little bare copper wire. Ill go out and get a fuse tonight, Forgot about that. After that I completely rewired the amp and speakers in the truck. Scared the hell out of me!

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Matt Kane

08-24-2006 13:59:20




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
I used 16 guage wire, which was the same size that came out from the lights. Wasn't exactly sure what size to use, but its just 2 lights, the wire goes no where else.



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John T

08-24-2006 18:26:08




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:59:20  
Matt, you size the wire to safely handle the load amps (and 16 ought to handle a couple lamps fer sure) and then you size the fuse to protect whatever wire size you use. That way the wire shouldnt ever overheat so much it damages the insulation cuz the fuse should open. The ampacity of the wire depends on its insulations thermal rating and whether its in open air or bundled with other conductors in a raceway etc.

John T

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old

08-24-2006 14:18:17




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:59:20  
No matter what size wire it is I would still put in a fuse



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old

08-24-2006 13:48:42




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
You can do it that way but, if say one of them shorts out and I have seen them do it then you end up burning up the wireing, switch and maybe even the tractor. My self I would try a 20 amp fuse first and if it hold leave it but if it blows go up to a 25 and then 30 till you have one that will work but also not be to big

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RustyFarmall

08-24-2006 14:04:17




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to old, 08-24-2006 13:48:42  
Old, you are right, Many years ago I was working on a JD 4020. Don't remember exactly what it was I was working on, but I needed to tip the front of the cab up to access something below it. The owner of the tractor had installed his own radio, and had not included a fuse in the wire that powered the radio, it was direct from the battery to the radio. When I finished, and went to let the cab back down, that hot wire got pinched. I didn't know you could get so much flame and smoke from the insulation of a #12 wire, and when the smoke cleared just a bit I could see that the wire was still glowing red hot. All of this was happening at the same time as I was frantically hunting my wire cutters. The tractor did not burn, I made up a new wire with a fuse this time, and never told the customer.

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Tom in TN

08-24-2006 13:47:37




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 Re: Fuse? in reply to Matt Kane, 08-24-2006 13:34:46  
Matt,

I'm not an electrical engineer and one of them might be able to give you a more authoritative answer. But, from a plain old guy, it's my opinion that it is never appropriate to make a circuit from a battery to a load without a fuse in it. If one of the wires shorts to ground while the switch is on, enough heat will be generated in the wire to ignite the insulation and anything near it. In my humble opinion, I think that you have created a serious hazard.

The size of the fuse will depend on the size and type of wire you used. Let us know about that and I'm sure that someone with more knowledge than I have will tell you what size fuse is safe for that wire.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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