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Tim Shultz

07-13-2006 10:59:56

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I am painting my 73' pick-up, useing kinda cheap paint.. it was $20 a gal, but I was wondering if I should use hardener in the paint or not? TSC has some for $8 a bottle.. good for 1 gal.. is it going to be worth it in the long run? I know I could go to napa and get some raelly nice SALTY paint.. but I want/need to do this EL-CHEAP-O... so will it be a waste to use it in my cheap paint? or will it help? make the paint a bit more shiny? last a bit longer? thanks for the help!
Tim Shultz

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Mike M

07-14-2006 03:40:32

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

I tried hardener in paint sprayed on our 1 ton dump bed. This was a BIG mistake as it chipped terrible ! Just ended up brushing on plain old enamel and has held up alot better.

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B-maniac

07-13-2006 17:19:19

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

Please be aware,also,that economy paint with a different brand economy hardner can & has added up to a big mess in the past. Catylists have a shelf life,even when not opened. Economy catylists have a very inconsistent shelf life. Depending on the seller's volume of sales,the one you buy could very easily be past it's shelf life.You can (and will) do as you please,but I believe we all have learned at one time or another that the less you pay the higher the risk.You very well may "win" but be advised,the odds are against you.Friend of mine--custom paint graphics-cycle tank-cleared with economy catylist-all turned milky-stripped down-had to re-do graphics-bought good stuff-turned out beautiful! So--was it really "economy" after all??? Have Fun!

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JMS/MN

07-13-2006 16:46:09

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

Hardeners contain isocyanates. To be safe, you need a supplied air system. About $800. I painted two tractors with hardener before I learned that. Might be fortunate that I'm still here- of course, others may differ on that assumption. Bottom line is this- I have a 1949 AC WF about ready for paint- checked with rental center, no SAS available. Will check with local body shop owner if I can rent his. Otherwise, I'll paint without the hardener until I can afford the system. Only brother died from emphysema 3 years ago, I've been hit twice with grain dust,-last year I was down for a week from a few minutes in a dusty bin, and I've determined that dying from lack of air is no fun! Sure, the finish with hardener impresses the folks along the parade route, but they aren't paying for your respirator.

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dhermesc

07-13-2006 12:03:02

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

You'll want the hardner unless you have a year to wait for the paint to set up. Every small knick and scratch will take out a chunk of paint and rough up the suface. I even had bugs get imbedded in the paint (horse trailer).

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IH2444

07-13-2006 11:42:42

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

I would like to add that I use the valspar hardner with Rustoleum paints. Works well.
Also Rustoleum also has a crystal clear enamel in a spray can that I use over the top for clearcoat. I just did this recently and it looks great so far. Time will tell. I have used the Rustoleum paints for years, but this is the first time with the clearcoat type of stuff. Looks still wet.

ps I understand Rustoleum now has tractor colors of paint, but not seen it in my area yet :(

I think the rustoleum paint is better than the TSC stuff and only about $27-28 / gal at Lowes.
Just my observation/opinion though.

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 11:20:48

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Re: hardener in the paint? in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:59:56

In general, hardner modifies drying time and luster, and adds durability, can help resist fading, etc.

I use TSC's (valspar) hardner in TSC's cheapy 27$ a gallon BPS paint. The paint definately looks better with hardner...

Your call. Be aware that you need to be carefull with hardner... you don't want to breath the fumes.. meaning you either need to paint in open air with good air exchange and a good mask, and in those conditions.. you technically should be monitoring levels for best safety, or else you need a self contained breather system.

I paint in the open air and wear a good mask, and don't test. Read the MSDS for your products and make your own choice on what you do. Some people are effected to a much higher degree than others when it concerns the active ingredient in hardner compounds.. etc. That is.. what may kill one person.. may not phase another.. etc.

Soundguy

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