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Worth Baling ?

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Billy NY

06-01-2006 20:07:31




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It's topped out, been mowin this small field 2 acres for a few years, let it top out a few times over the years, seems to get a little better, so I let it go this year and although just 2 acres, my neighbor will be baling nearby and might do it, but as I'm curious as what grows in different areas, seems like mostly orchard grass, no timothy, was alfalfa in the late 1960's but wonder if it's worth taking, otherwise the brush hog will get it soon, it's a breeding ground for the mice that move into the house in the fall, makes a big difference when it's cut. Sure is tall with all the rain.

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Dan-IA

06-02-2006 13:01:40




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
My newfound allergies made me sneeze already, just looking at that picture!

I never thought I had any sort of allergies. But last year I scraped a lot of mold (silver-dollar sized, grey, green, brown, and black)patches off an old satellite dish. That was the first time my eyes got really dry this time of year and my nose started running continuously. Neighbor says "we never had that mold stuff until they started making us burn ethanol in our cars!"

This year, it was set off the first day the cottonwoods started throwing cottonballs. Been fighting it a week now...

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Billy NY

06-02-2006 06:47:54




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
I'll see if he will cut and bale it, maybe 100 bales worth, one preference is to take it a little shorter, more cuttings, less stalky, but with the rain lately, somebody else dictates when you can take hay around here. This field will produce a nice 2nd cutting I've noticed, there used to be a lot of fields of this around.
I'm asssuming the Brome grass is the one with the oat like heads/seeds on top, tall at the edge in one of the photos. I could probably fit all of it in my F-600, haul it 30 miles to where the hayburners live.

I'm thinking they would like this hay, and probably leave any weeds that end up in it, have seen bales with a lot more weed content then this would have.

It's been a long time since anything has been baled here, hopefully the side hill won't be a problem, he used to work this field in the late 60's early 70's.

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Jim in NC

06-02-2006 04:52:10




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
It looks like it needs to be in the barn to me! Orchard grass is sought after by the horse folks around here. I have finished with my hay. We had about one third of a crop. We, like many of you, are very dry.



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Dachshund

06-02-2006 03:42:36




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
I'd sure take it! Goats LOVE the stuff - weedier the better! You also have some Brome grass mixed in there. I have some brome/Red top that I'm laying over next week. It has a few weeds in it, but goats like trash so their gonna get some.



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Jimmy King

06-01-2006 22:37:40




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
Orchard grass makes very good hay, I always liked to cut it when it is in bloom, but it is very dirty then.



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Fern(Mi)

06-01-2006 20:28:38




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
If you were to cut this field before going to seed, a couple/three times a year, you'll eliminate most of the weeds. The grasses only surviving. Yes the orchard grass is there to stay unless burned off, plowed under and reseeded. So, at least go for the grass. Anyone with livestock can use grasses.

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Billy NY

06-01-2006 20:19:00




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
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Should be the last one, but it's first due to my ineptness regarding multiple image posting LOL !

What is this weed and how do you get rid of it ?



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Kent inNB

06-02-2006 18:39:33




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:19:00  
That is smooth bedstraw. Came from Europe in the bedding ticks people packed in ships for the voyage. Or so I have been told. Miserable stuff. It invades any area of low fertility. Best solution is to spray with roundup early in Sept.. Spread lime. Plow down, and reseed. No permanent cure. Turns black in silage, slow to dry in hay.



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opp

06-02-2006 14:54:53




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:19:00  
My dad calls that stuff "broom-straw". We killed it off with Round-Up, and then reseeded the ground with a no-till planter.



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nw_bearcat

06-02-2006 09:13:45




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:19:00  
Looks like what i've seen called 'catchweed bedstraw' if you've got it in a grass pasture, a dose of 24D, grazon, or similar product in the spring when it's growing should take care of it, and most other broadleaf weeds you have. downside is that you will also kill all clover, alfalfa, and other desirable broadleaf plants in the field. a word of caution: follow all label's in connection w/ PHI (post harvest intervals) people forget about this sometimes, but if you're trying to get an early hay cutting off, you need to spray pretty early as well.

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burnetma

06-01-2006 21:49:18




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:19:00  
That weed I was told by a local farmer that it is called "smooth bedding". I have been meaning to discuss the eratication of this fast spreading weeed with Cornell Cooperative Extension, but have not done so yet. It came in when the alfafa ran out on my property in Northern Rensellaer County. I now have it on my property in Tioga county from uncomposted horse manure that was spread on the fields by my in-laws prior to me buying the property. If I get a chance tomorrow I will run up to the extension office and ask some more questions.

Horses will not eat it when dried in a bale. They will pick at it in an open pasture. I do not think cows will eat it either.

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Billy NY

06-02-2006 06:32:55




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to burnetma, 06-01-2006 21:49:18  
This weed seems to be semi-vine like, but when the taller grasses outgrow it, it trys to keep up, there is some in there but not like it used to be. I've always wondered if you let the grasses go to seed, like the orchard and or brome, will it help in increase the concentration of the grass. I know the orchard grass is a clump grass and seems to grow well here.

Our place here is connected to several hundred acres, over 500, that was part of a large dairy operation for years, some of the fields on the other end were planted not that long ago, for an owner with horses, and it looked great. Lately, although June '04 was last time anyone had a good dry period to get hay in before it was past it's prime, the rain is too frequent, it's really difficult to get it off the field, I saw a few nice fields taken last year and gotten in before it rained, but the window of oppurtunity was not very big, so you can only cut so much.

Cornell has a nice website, with some description of some of these grasses. I'm in Rennselaer county, just outside of Troy, where suburbia wants all this acreage now, a lot has been bought for development. I love it when the big JD's clog up the road, to do the tillage and plant some of the fields on the other side, good to see those quads from the last big dairy operation around here still making a presence.

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Billy NY

06-02-2006 06:37:09




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-02-2006 06:32:55  
Been here since a kid and still mispell that word too LOL! Rensselaer, don't know what it is about that, apparently he was a Dtch settler Van Rensselaer who helped settle this area of he Hudson Valley, so they named a county after him.



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burnetma

06-02-2006 19:15:35




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-02-2006 06:37:09  
Yes, Rensselaer. Maybe that was why I was not accepted at RPI. Could not spell the name of the school! Yeah, I should have just said my place in Buskirk NY, but most people would not have a clue. Not sure MapQuest can find it, but I am sure that you know where it is without a map. We bought an old abandoned farm property in 1998 from a woman who lived in NYC and had not been to the place since her husband died in 1975! Needless to say, it was a fixer upper. We sold the home and 10 acres in 2003, but kept the barn and 90 acres of river frontage on the Hoosick River, which is also spelled Hoosic and Hoosac depending on which town your in or who you ask. Where abouts are you located? FYI, I also lived in Hoosick for a time. I know the area fairly well. I went to the Cooperative Extension today and confirmed what the plant was that you showed in your pictures. It is either Smooth Bedstraw Habit or Catchweed Bedstraw Habit. They are very similar in appearance except, as the names imply, the Smooth has a smooth stem and the Catchweed has little hairs on the stem that stick to you like velcro. I will have to look at your photos again to be sure or you can confirm. One distinct difference is that the Smooth is a perennial and the Catchweed is an annual and thus the treatment is different. According to the Cornell Guide to Integrated Field Crop Management, the Smooth weed variety can be eliminated by the application of Crossbow at a rate of 2 quarts/acre. I did not go into any detail with the Catchweed, because that is not what I have. Anyway, I will be discussing this with the local agent in more detail to get all of the options for eradicating this weed. I will then pass it on accordingly.

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Billy NY

06-03-2006 03:32:24




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to burnetma, 06-02-2006 19:15:35  
Know the area well,but don't get by there much. I had a chance to go through that area last year, while driving a tractor trailer load of horses to the big show in Manchester Vt. That is a real nice area, especially with frontage on the Hoosic, Hoosac, don't forget the Little Hoosic LOL. I used to work in NYC for many years, I've met a lot of people who spend time and or have property in the area, small world. Lot of them like the lifestyle, but it's an evil as you only have weekends, vacations, and Holiday's, there's always that 3 hour barrier to your high paying job in Manhattan.

I'm over here in Brunswick, on Hoosick Rd and or NYS Rt. 7, we've still got our 98 acres here, (been here 40 years this year), + another 50 or so in Saratoga, enough to keep one busy.

I've been on Cornell's Coop ext. website, but never checked out any of the weeds, quite a bit of information there, do appreciate the feeback on that, always wondered what it was, it's about the only substantial weed in there, the grasses are giving it some serious competition. I've always been amazed at how some of these grasses do so well here, seems like you could keep a hayfield full of orchard grass for quite a long time with minimal effort, not sure what the PH is around here, slightly acidic, my clover patches do well with lime and fertilizer it seems.

If the rain does not give a break, I don't think anyone will be baling much anytime soon, this may end up getting cut with the brushog, ends up leaving a lot of thatch, be nice to see it baled though.

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Billy NY

06-01-2006 20:16:08




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
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Billy NY

06-01-2006 20:13:47




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
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We can always use extra hay, it's got some weeds, but the grasses have really dominated so far.



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Billy NY

06-01-2006 20:10:16




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 Re: Worth Baling ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-01-2006 20:07:31  
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Yeah, I've got to absorb the mutltiple photo thing, got a few more and one with question.



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