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Towing a disc.

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jhill

05-23-2006 04:21:48




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I have a John Deere BW 12 ft disk. It has been sitting at a friends farm for a few yrs because i didn't need it. I went to get it. It normally pulls poorly behind my pickup at anything over about 15 mph. Well I put some different tires on it and I decided to try a trick I had heard about. I took a comealong and stretched it from the hitch to the left rear corner and snugged it up. Before I knew it I was doing 55 and the disc was trailing along happy as could be.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Jerry

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RodInNS

05-23-2006 19:24:23




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 04:21:48  
Generally most old style discs tow poorly. The main reason is that they are almost perfectly balanced over their own wheels, and have short hitch which keep them too close to the tractor. If you change the balance point so that there is weight on the tounge, and keep the hitch tight, they tow well. The problem is that you've got to build a hitch to do that.... Glad the come-a-long worked out for you. The last time I pulled the hitch off my old 570 Pittsburg, I loaded the orange devil on the hay wagon and hauled it home, cut the remnants of the old hitch off, and built a new flotation hitch. Now it tows properly at any speed, and actually works properly in the field as the disc can follow the field rather than the tractor wheels through holes. It's got a lot more give to jump over stones too....
That disc was so bad to tow that it would wag a 12000# tractor at 15 mph. This actually made a disc out of it, rather than a piece of scrap, which is what it was.

Rod

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Dan-IA

05-23-2006 09:02:34




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 04:21:48  
What happened when turning corners? I can see how that'd help on straight roads, but for turning, I'd think the cables on the come-along would either go slack or become extra tight.

Was turning a problem?

For that matter, how did you raise it? I haven't seen too many pickups with remote hydraulics... Maybe some discs can be 'locked up', but I don't believe my 2 tandem discs can be.



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jhill

05-23-2006 09:46:28




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to Dan-IA, 05-23-2006 09:02:34  
The come along was connected omly to the disc. I hooked it to the tounge just behind where it hooked to the trucked and then to the rear gang of the discs so it didn't co slack or tight in the corners. It went over the big tube that the wheels are attached. It is supposed to take out any sideways movemet in the hitch and lift mechanisms.

The friend where it was stored lifted it for me with his tractor. Mine also has a lock to keep in raised without a cylinder.

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Puller504

05-23-2006 05:03:16




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 04:21:48  
Remember gentlemen, a Slow Moving Vehicle Sign is only legal up to 25 MPH! I also see fertilizer spreaders flown down the highway at 3 times the maximum speed posted on the sides of the spreader! You are legally liable for any injuries/accidents caused by towing any equipment at unsafe speeds. Nothing like a civil lawsuit to ruin your day! Please use common sense and tow safely out there.



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Old Pokey

05-23-2006 06:11:04




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 Very well said. in reply to Puller504, 05-23-2006 05:03:16  
cant add much to that.



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Rob NC

05-23-2006 04:37:17




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 04:21:48  
i'll remember that the next time i have to pull mine down the road. also adding weight to the hitch will help keep it from fish tailing.



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RustyFarmall

05-23-2006 04:41:08




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to Rob NC, 05-23-2006 04:37:17  
That trick works really well. A log chain and binder will serve the purpose also. The same trick also works on just about any implement that tries to "wag the dog".



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souNdguy

05-23-2006 07:12:27




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-23-2006 04:41:08  
Poor mans load ballancing hitch?

To the poster that mentioned pulling the disc behind his truck, and then the reply that a SMV was no leagal over 25mph.. well.. if the disc was pulled behind the automobile.. then that would be legal wouldn't it? The auto has plates... and the disc is a farm implement. I know here in florida, construction implements that are towed from jobsite to jobsite.. like milling plants, and conveyor systems / drills, etc.. don't need plates.. etc.

Soundguy

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sammy the RED

05-23-2006 07:27:26




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to souNdguy, 05-23-2006 07:12:27  
Maybe, BUT, it has a 12 foot width.
Take off the SMV, would he now need an escort vehicle and permits ?

With the SMV in place he is restricted to 25 mph ?



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souNdguy

05-23-2006 07:41:01




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to sammy the RED, 05-23-2006 07:27:26  
"Maybe, BUT, it has a 12 foot width.
"Take off the SMV, would he now need an escort "vehicle and permits ?

I'm not sure.. really depends on the DOT in that state. Here in florida, for a tagged trailer that is overdimensional, you need an OD permit. For non tagged equipment, You need flags, and lamps, and SMV, as has been told to me by FL DOT.. they did not mention a speed limits either.

We run a rubber tire crane ( not tags.. it is a jobsite/rough terain crane ) down the road on some jobs that are withing a few miles, as well as run scraper pans and road graders down the road frequently.. All these vehicles can hit 35mph easilly... the road grader in 6th gear will go faster... in any case... We've never .. ever... been stopped on a piece of heavy equipment, just using flashers, tail lamps, headlamps, and smv.

I'm -quite- sure that is not the case everywhere. Florida is still a farm friendly state. In fact.. farms don't even have to have n occupational license.. though do need a retail sales livense if they sell materials that were not produced on the farm.. ( no retail sales licens needed to sell items produced on the farm ).

Our county mowing tractor run up and down the roads all day... some of the bigger JD's that mow the retention ponds go faster than 25mph.. Nothing but SMV and lamps. Same with county road graders. You see them towing a pickup truck around town many times.. and as stated.. 25mph is about 3rd or 4th gear ( out of 6 ) for them depending on size, make/model.

It may be different in a real communist state.. but in the rural states.. i pretty much think that state and local police don't pay much attention to construction and farm equipment, unless it is doing something unsafe.. or otherwise causing a problem... There probably is a bit of .. how should I put this.. 'god' syndrome built in to the situation as well.. as in.. it just depends on how 'powerfull' the guy with the badge is feeling that day, and how much he wants to 'stick it to the man'.. etc.. if you get my drift... IE.. if the police officer is in a 'kick the dog' mood... I'm quite sure that he could pull over the 'pope' and find -something- that he could ticket him for... etc..

Soundguy

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jhill

05-23-2006 09:55:26




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to souNdguy, 05-23-2006 07:41:01  
I did not have a slow moving sign on my disc. Because it is an implement of husbandry (fancy term for Farm Implement) it doesn't need a license. Only farm wagons need a plate and only if they are pulled by a truck. You see all kinds of wagons being towed by pickups with both plates and SMV signs and the cops ignore it.

Other vehicles that are in tended for off road use such as bachhoes and earthmovers don't need plates. I don't think road graders need one but aren't they intended for on road use. Also flashing signs. If used stationary by a contractor don't need plates but the county road commision needs a plate to tow one behind there trucks while patching roads etc. Boy what a mess.

Jerry

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souNdguy

05-23-2006 11:02:28




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 09:55:26  
>I don't think road graders need one but aren't >they intended for on road use.

No... the have a big moldboard for leveling and setting grade and contour.. If you 'use' them on the road.. you'll be blading up asphalt... Guess you could say they were for 'on road' use.. if you only had 'dirt roads'.

Soundguy



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jhill

05-23-2006 13:01:55




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to souNdguy, 05-23-2006 11:02:28  
I was refering to using them to grade dirt roads.



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souNdguy

05-23-2006 13:40:55




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to jhill, 05-23-2006 13:01:55  
Yes.. grading dirt roads.. however.. I think that kinda makes the point 'moot' where it comes to them needing a tag or not.. whens the last time you saw a dirt road 'freeway' ?

Soundguy



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Rick in Michigan

05-24-2006 11:14:10




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to souNdguy, 05-23-2006 13:40:55  
70% of the roads within a 20 mile radius of my house/farm are dirt. Coppers don"t care - they"ll ticket you if you aren"t legal...as they should I suppose.



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souNdguy

05-25-2006 05:22:53




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 Re: Towing a disc. in reply to Rick in Michigan, 05-24-2006 11:14:10  
I'd guess that 35% of the roads in my rural town are dirt roads, and you won't see a cop there unless it is an outright emergency.

As far as legalities.. it may vary in your area, if you live in a communist state or something.. but here in florida, ag and primarily off road construction vehicles aren't tagged.

Soundguy



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