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Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn

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CB in central N

04-21-2006 10:22:03




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I am putting up a pole barn this spring which requires me to drill about 29 holes in the ground (8X8 posts) to set the posts. I am thinking that a 12" auger will do the job. Two problems:

1) most augers that run off a 3-point hitch do not seem to be long enough (I need to go down 50").

2) I have heavy clay soil where the barn is going. I"ve heard that drilling through clay can be a killer. My tractors do not have downward pressure at the 3-point arms.

I know I can hire it out to someone with a skidsteer or a utility-type rig but I want to do this myself. Any ideas, suggestions, comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

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MarkB_MI

04-22-2006 05:20:16




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
If you were digging in sand, I'd say go ahead and use a three point digger and finish by hand. But if your clay in NY is anything like this stuff in Michigan, don't do it. I dug my holes with a three point unit, and I'll never try that again. It took me several days, since I was using a worn-out 8 inch auger (closer to a six than an eight) and I needed holes 60 inches deep by 18 inches in diameter. (For the pads under the posts.) Also, the three point units are bad about drifting off, so some of my holes were over two feet wide by the time I was done. To top it all off, I had to replace the cutters on my neighbor's post hole digger because the clay ate them up.

There are several options on the rental side. As someone suggested, a digger on a skid steer loader is a good, but expensive, choice. Around here, Home Depot rents out a big trailer-mounted unit. It looks like it might be a good choice, although I've never used one. I have rented portable units: the "Little Beaver" diggers work well and can be handled by one person; it would be possible, but not easy, to dig pole barn holes with one. The Little Beaver design uses a cart-mounted motor connected to a separate auger, which makes them fairly easy to handle.

If you have a neighbor with the right equipment, hiring him to dig your holes may be the best money you ever spent.

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RayP(MI)

04-21-2006 18:45:30




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
Whatever you do DON"T try one of those self powered hand held "two man" post hole diggers. They"re really 4 man units in disguise. Don"t ask how I know. Seems as though my pto hole digger will get awfully close to 4" deep, and I have down pressure available, never needed to use it. My auger has a screw thread nose like a wood screw, and as long as the cutter edges are fairly sharp, and not clogged with grass and roots, it"ll dig right in. Be sure to bring the auger up to empty the dirt load two or three times per hole.

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CB in central NY

04-21-2006 16:56:36




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
Thanks, everyone, for your suggestions. I have a neighbor who sets up pole barns; he has a combination crane / drilling rig. Sounds like I might have to try and hire him for the job.



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Grub0927

04-21-2006 14:59:29




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
Skidsteer w/ a hydraulic auger is the way to go. You have power down, and a reversible auger on a thumbswitch. You can also use the bucket to set the posts in the holes, then spread gravel around for your floor or concrete base.
You'll have triceps like a stovepipe after you tamp all those posts!

Good Luck! Grub



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Lou

04-21-2006 13:16:03




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
CB Im in upstate NY also, I buildt a pole barn a few years ago. Dug the holes ( had a back hoe at the time ) put in sona tubes filled with concrete with a metal bracket to hold the 8x8. We live in a very wet climate what do you gain by burring wood? Couldnt cost much more, just my 2 cents, good luck Lou



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Coloken

04-21-2006 12:52:06




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
I rebuilt the pipe/shaft on by 14 inch auger several times. Last railroad ties I used in a corral, I used a Long 3-point back hoe. Was handy to raise the post too.
Kennyp



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neblinc

04-21-2006 11:39:42




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
You should be able to rent a skid loader, and depending on the rental place you may be able to get it on Saturday and pay the 1 day rate and bring it back Monday morning.

My pole barn that will be started next month, but not built by me. The crew will be using crushed limestone in the holes packing it as they fill the hole. Very solid and no chance of water sitting in the hole to rot the post over a few years.

Randy

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Lou

04-21-2006 11:05:30




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
Go rent a skidsteer with an auger and do it yourself. 29 holes, my back hurts.



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JDB

04-21-2006 10:39:52




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
Just add a teenage boy to Sandhillranchers picture



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SandhillRancher

04-21-2006 10:37:59




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
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This will work



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Rickstir

04-21-2006 10:33:56




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to CB in central NY, 04-21-2006 10:22:03  
There enough other things to worry about. If you do not have the proper equipment, hire it out. Concentrate on what you can do and bid the rest.



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Errin OH

04-21-2006 11:10:23




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 Re: Drilling holes in ground to set posts for barn in reply to Rickstir, 04-21-2006 10:33:56  
Agree hire it out or at least rent the right equipment. Those 8x8's need to be sitting on 16"x6" round concret block.

You'll need a 18" hole. At a min I'd rent a skid loader with auger attachment that has the ability to reverse it out should it decide to screw itself in.



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